CHABAD / POSTVILLE AND BEYOND / part 1 and part 2
Is It Antisemitic to Tell the Truth?
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Interviews here are with over 20 people (some scholars, some local Postville people) regarding Chabad in general or their dominating -- albeit self-segregating -- colony in the rural town of Postville, Iowa, as well as their influence on the world stage, including upon heads of government -- from Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin. The interviews and scenes (in Postville, Iowa, and Crown Heights, New York, where Chabad is headquartered) were recorded in 2010. Some interviews in the same year were with others around the country.
This inquiry that starts in Postville is a microcosm of a much bigger picture: in 1987 a group of Chabad followers arrived in Postville to support Sholom Rubashkin's purchase of a local slaughterhouse, Agriprocessors. In 2008, the plant was raided by Federal ICE officials and hundreds of undocumented/illegal migrants were arrested. A wide range of scandals -- emanating from the slaughterhouse and the Chabad community -- then came to public attention, including outrageous exploitation and mistreatment of non-Jews working in the slaughterhouse and the community at-large.
Most media assessments of the Postville story have steered away from important issues surrounding the Chabad Lubavitchers. One of the few who had the courage to honestly face what was there was Jewish author/scholar Stephen Bloom.
Included here is commentary from Bloom (author of POSTVILLE: A CLASH OF CULTURES IN HEARTLAND AMERICA) and his indictment of the collective Chabad community, and,
conversely, excerpts from Mark Grey, Michelle Devlin, and Aaron Goldsmith (co-authors of POSTVILLE USA) who -- in contradistinction -- rejected generalizations about Chabad and focused on the positives of multiculturalism (originally stemming from mostly undocumented/illegal workers from around the world who worked -- under atrocious conditions -- in the slaughterhouse).
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다큐멘터리 영상 <하바드: 포스트빌과 그 너머 1부 및 2부(CHABAD: POSTVILLE AND BEYOND part 1 and part 2)>는 1987년 초정통파 유대교 하바드 루바비치(Chabad-Lubavitch) 분파가 미국 아이오와주의 평화로운 시골 마을 포스트빌에 진입한 이후 벌어진 일련의 사건과 그 이면에 자리 잡은 종교적·사회적 갈등을 심층적으로 추적한다
<1. 하바드 루바비치의 종교적 교리와 선민의식의 기원>
하바드 루바비치는 제7대 랍비 메나헴 멘델 슈네어손(Menachem Mendel Schneerson)의 영도 아래 전 세계적인 유대교 선교 및 정체성 부흥 운동으로 급성장하였다
이 교리에 따르면 유대인의 영혼은 비유대인(Goyim)의 영혼과 근원적으로 구별되는 우월한 위치를 점하며, 세상을 유대인과 비유대인, 정결한 것(코셔)과 불결한 것(트레프)의 이분법으로 파악한다
<2. 포스트빌의 비극: 착취와 불법으로 얼룩진 코셔 제국>
1987년 숄롬 루바슈킨(Sholom Rubashkin) 가문이 포스트빌의 폐쇄된 도축장을 인수하여 북미 최대의 코셔 육류 가공 공장으로 키워내면서 사건이 촉발되었다
극단적 노동 착취와 인권 침해: 과테말라와 멕시코 등지에서 온 미등록 이주 노동자들을 대상으로 저임금 지급, 강제 초과 근무, 부당 임금 착복, 미성년자 불법 고용이 광범위하게 자행되었다
. 공장 내부에서는 일선 감독관들의 성희롱과 갈취, 폭행이 빈번하게 일어났으며, 화장실 이용조차 제한되어 노동자들의 건강권이 심각하게 훼손되었다 . 위험한 작업 환경과 동물 학대: 안전 장비 미비와 급속한 라인 속도로 인하여 절단 사고와 영구 장애를 겪는 노동자가 속출하였고, 동물 보호 단체(PETA)의 잠입 조사 등을 통해 비인도적인 도축 실태가 적발되었다
. 지역 경제 및 주거 환경의 독점적 착취: 루바슈킨 일가와 연계된 부동산 업체들은 마을 주택과 아파트를 대거 사들인 후, 이주 노동자들에게 터무니없이 높은 임대료를 물리며 노후한 시설에 수십 명씩을 밀어 넣는 방식으로 폭리를 취했다
. 2008년 연방 단속과 그 후폭풍: 수백 명의 미등록 노동자가 체포되며 마을 공동체와 경제는 완전히 붕괴하였다
. 사측은 이후 교도소 출소자, 노숙인 쉼터 출신, 태평양 팔라우 제도 출신 노동자들을 무책임하게 데려와 공장을 가동하려 했으나, 결국 파산과 형사 처벌로 귀결되었다 .
<3. 비판의 무력화와 정치적 영향력의 구축>
이 기록물에서 드러나는 하바드 루바비치의 주요 대응 양식은 도덕적 반성이 아닌 정체성 방패와 정치적 연대였다
나아가 하바드는 지역 정가를 넘어 미국 백악관 역대 행정부, 러시아의 블라디미르 푸틴 정권 및 올리가르히와의 긴밀한 유착을 통해 막강한 정치적 로비력을 구축해왔다
<4. 심층 비평 및 종합 평론>
스티븐 블룸(Stephen Bloom) 교수의 저서 <포스트빌: 미국 심장부에서의 문화적 충돌>과 마크 그레이(Mark Grey) 등의 <포스트빌 미국>을 축으로 전개되는 논의는 종교적 배타주의가 민주주의 사회의 기본 규범과 충돌할 때 발생하는 파괴적 결과를 명확히 드러낸다
포스트빌 사태의 본질은 단순한 문화적 차이나 소수 민족 간의 갈등이 아니다
더욱 심각한 문제는 정당한 비판을 방어하기 위해 반유대주의라는 개념을 남용함으로써 역사적 비극의 기억을 사익 추구의 도구로 전락시켰다는 점이다
포스트빌은 현대 다문화 사회가 직면한 근본적인 질문을 던진다
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<CHABAD / POSTVILLE AND BEYOND — Part 1 & 2> 1,000단어 요약 평론
이 자료는 2010년 무렵 미국 아이오와주 포스트빌(Postville)을 중심으로 이루어진 20명 이상의 인터뷰를 편집한 약 2시간짜리 영상의 녹취록이다. 핵심 주제는 1987년 포스트빌에 들어온 하바드-루바비치(Chabad-Lubavitch) 계열 유대인들과 그들이 운영한 코셔 육가공업체 Agriprocessors, 2008년 대규모 이민단속, 그리고 그 사건이 드러낸 노동·인종·종교·공동체 문제다. 자료는 처음부터 자신이 “반유대주의적”이지 않으며, 기존 언론이 충분히 다루지 않았던 하바드 공동체 자체의 문제를 묻겠다고 선언한다. Stephen G. Bloom의 <Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America>에 대한 논의와 Mark Grey, Michele Devlin, Aaron Goldsmith의 <Postville U.S.A.>에 대한 비판도 상당한 비중을 차지한다.
다만 이 자료는 학술적 다큐멘터리라기보다 강한 문제의식을 가진 비판적 인터뷰 모음에 가깝다. 따라서 <포스트빌에서 실제로 무엇이 일어났는가>와 <인터뷰이들이 하바드를 어떻게 해석하는가>를 구별해서 읽어야 한다.
1. 출발점: 하바드는 단순한 정통파 유대교인가
초반부에서 인터뷰는 하바드의 마지막 레베인 메나헴 멘델 슈네어손(Menachem Mendel Schneerson)의 사상으로 들어간다. 특히 <Tanya>를 비롯한 하바드 문헌에서 유대인의 영혼과 비유대인의 영혼을 구분하는 언어가 거론된다. 몇몇 인터뷰이는 이를 단순한 종교적 특수주의가 아니라 사실상 인간 존재의 위계화라고 해석한다.
또한 하바드가 비유대인에게 ‘노아의 일곱 계명(Seven Noahide Laws)’을 권하는 운동도 언급된다. 인터뷰이는 여기에서 하바드가 유대교를 모든 사람에게 개종시키려 하지는 않지만, 세계 전체에 대해 특정한 신적 질서관을 가지고 있다고 본다. 즉,
<유대인은 특별한 언약 공동체이고, 비유대인은 그와 다른 위치에 놓여 있다>
는 신학적 세계관이 사회관계에도 영향을 줄 수 있다는 것이 자료의 첫 번째 문제제기다.
그러나 여기서부터 자료의 첫 번째 약점도 나타난다. 유대교의 ‘선민(chosen people)’ 관념, 종교적 경계, 하바드 문헌의 특정 구절을 곧바로 현대적 의미의 인종주의와 동일시하는 것은 조심할 필요가 있다. 종교적 특수주의와 인종적 우월주의가 겹칠 수도 있지만 둘이 자동적으로 동일한 것은 아니다. 이 자료는 바로 그 구분을 충분히 정교하게 하지 않는다.
2. 포스트빌: ‘다문화주의’와 ‘분리주의’가 동시에 나타난 마을
1987년 하바드계 루바비처들이 포스트빌의 폐쇄된 도축장을 사들이면서 마을은 급격히 변한다. 코셔 육류 생산이 확대되면서 유대인뿐 아니라 멕시코·과테말라·동유럽 등 여러 지역 출신 노동자들이 들어왔다.
흥미로운 것은 이 변화를 놓고 인터뷰이들의 평가가 갈린다는 점이다.
한쪽에서는 포스트빌을 놀라운 다문화 공동체로 본다. 작은 아이오와 시골 마을에 정통파 유대인, 라틴계 이민자, 기존의 루터교·가톨릭 주민 등이 함께 살게 되었다. 학교와 거리에서 이전에는 볼 수 없었던 문화적 다양성이 만들어졌다.
그러나 비판적 인터뷰이들은 이것을 ‘통합’이라기보다 <나란히 존재하는 여러 폐쇄 공동체>였다고 본다. 특히 하바드 주민들은 복장, 식사, 안식일, 교육, 결혼, 공동체 조직에서 매우 강한 내부 결속을 유지했으며 기존 주민들과 일상적 접촉이 적었다는 증언이 반복된다.
한 인터뷰에서는 처음에 루바비처들이 거리에서 인사를 잘 하지 않았다는 사소해 보이는 사례가 길게 논의된다. 여기서 ‘Hello’는 단순한 인사가 아니다.
<당신을 같은 지역사회의 구성원으로 인정하는가?>
라는 상징이 된다.
따라서 포스트빌은 이 자료에서 <multiculturalism>의 역설을 보여주는 사례가 된다. 문화적으로 서로 다른 사람들이 같은 공간에 존재한다고 해서 반드시 서로가 하나의 공동체가 되는 것은 아니다.
3. 자료의 중심: Agriprocessors 노동현장
영상에서 가장 설득력 있고 중요한 부분은 하바드 신학 논쟁보다 Agriprocessors 노동조건에 관한 증언들이다.
10쪽 이후 상당한 분량이 공장의 작업환경에 할애된다. 인터뷰이들은 빠른 컨베이어벨트, 칼과 기계에 의한 부상, 부족한 안전장비, 장시간 노동, 휴식시간 부족, 초과근무 수당 문제 등을 증언한다. 어떤 노동자는 하루 12~14시간, 주 6일 일했다고 말한다. 화장실에 갈 시간이 없어 참아야 했다는 증언, 손가락이나 팔이 절단되는 중상을 입었다는 사례도 나온다.
특히 충격적인 것은 노동자의 취약한 이민 신분이 고용주의 권력을 강화했다는 주장이다.
자료에 따르면 상당수 노동자들은 과테말라·멕시코 등에서 온 서류미비 이민자였다. 노동조건에 항의하면 해고뿐 아니라 이민당국에 신고될 수 있다는 두려움이 있었다. 한 인터뷰이는 이를 사실상 “slavery”에 가까운 상황이라고 표현한다.
여기에 미성년 노동자 문제, 노동조합 결성을 방해했다는 주장, 여성 노동자에 대한 성희롱과 성적 요구에 관한 증언도 이어진다. 2008년 연방정부의 대규모 단속은 바로 이 세계를 외부에 폭발적으로 드러낸 사건으로 제시된다.
자료의 논리는 분명하다.
<포스트빌 문제의 핵심은 종교적 기이함이 아니라 권력관계였다.>
고용주는 일자리, 임금, 노동자의 이민신분, 때로는 주거까지 영향력을 행사했고, 노동자는 그 관계에서 극도로 취약했다.
이 부분은 자료 전체에서 가장 중요한 사회학적 통찰이다.
4. 노동뿐 아니라 주택과 지역경제까지
22~24쪽에서는 문제가 공장 담장을 넘어간다.
인터뷰에 따르면 Rubashkin 계열 혹은 관련 유대인 사업가들이 포스트빌의 상당수 주택과 임대 부동산을 소유했다. 한 인터뷰이는 한때 276채 가운데 약 130채가 관련 소유주들의 영향 아래 있었다고 주장한다. 임대료, 전기료, 관리 상태 등에 관한 불만도 나온다.
이것이 사실이라면 문제는 단순한 ‘나쁜 공장주’가 아니다.
<고용 + 주거 + 상업 + 종교 공동체>
가 서로 중첩되는 일종의 지역 권력구조가 만들어진 것이다.
자료가 하바드를 단순한 종교집단이 아니라 <economic network>로 보는 이유가 여기에 있다.
5. 2008년 단속 이후 드러난 공동체의 경계
2008년 ICE 단속 이후 수백 명의 이주노동자가 체포되거나 일자리를 잃으면서 마을 전체가 위기에 빠졌다.
자료에서 특히 기억에 남는 대목은 지역 교회들이 이민자 가족을 돕기 위해 음식과 주택 지원에 나섰다는 증언이다. 반면 바로 맞은편 하바드 회당이 비유대인 노동자 지원에 얼마나 참여했느냐는 질문에 인터뷰이는 거의 알지 못한다고 답한다.
이 대목은 사실관계 이상의 도덕적 질문을 제기한다.
<누가 나의 이웃인가?>
사업의 성공에는 이민노동자들이 필요했는데, 위기가 찾아왔을 때 그들은 종교공동체의 책임 범위 안에 들어왔는가?
이 질문이 영상 후반부까지 계속된다.
6. 사건을 둘러싼 두 가지 ‘포스트빌 이야기’
자료는 Stephen Bloom의 책과 <Postville U.S.A.> 계열의 해석을 대조한다.
Bloom은 하바드와 기존 주민 사이의 문화적 충돌과 폐쇄성을 비교적 정면으로 다룬 인물로 긍정적으로 평가된다. 반면 Mark Grey 등의 접근은 포스트빌을 다문화주의의 가능성으로 너무 낙관적으로 읽었다는 비판을 받는다.
인터뷰이들은 ‘diversity’와 ‘multiculturalism’이라는 좋은 말이 실제 권력관계를 가릴 수 있다고 지적한다.
이 비판은 상당히 의미 있다.
<다양성이 있다고 평등한 것은 아니다.>
멕시코인, 과테말라인, 하시딕 유대인, 백인 아이오와 주민이 모두 같은 마을에 산다고 해서 그들이 동등한 권력과 선택권을 가진 것은 아니다.
따라서 포스트빌은 <다문화 공동체의 성공사례>이기도 하지만 동시에 <민족·종교·계급별로 분절된 노동도시>이기도 했다.
7. “반유대주의”라는 말에 대한 논쟁
후반부에서 반복되는 가장 민감한 주제가 있다.
하바드나 Rubashkin을 비판하면 곧 “anti-Semitic”이라고 공격받는다는 것이다.
인터뷰이들은 노동조건, 부패, 기업경영을 비판하는 것과 유대인을 혐오하는 것은 전혀 다른 일인데 하바드 지지자들이 이 둘을 섞었다고 주장한다. Sholom Rubashkin에 대한 법적 처벌이 시작되자 전 세계 하바드 네트워크가 그의 방어와 모금에 나섰고, 그를 부당하게 박해받은 인물로 만들었다는 설명도 나온다.
이 부분에서 자료는 상당히 중요한 질문을 제기한다.
<소수집단에 대한 편견을 경계하면서 동시에 그 집단 내부의 권력과 잘못을 어떻게 비판할 것인가?>
이것은 포스트빌에 한정된 문제가 아니다.
그러나 자료 스스로도 이 문제에서 완전히 성공하지는 못한다. 하바드의 행위를 비판하다가 때때로 “그들은”, “유대인들은”이라는 식의 일반화가 등장하기 때문이다. 비판하려는 대상이 <특정 기업·지도자·하바드 공동체>인지 <정통파 유대교>인지 <유대인 일반>인지 경계가 흐려지는 순간들이 있다.
바로 이것이 이 자료가 가장 조심해서 읽혀야 할 지점이다.
8. 정치적 네트워크와 세계적 하바드
37쪽 이후에는 논의가 포스트빌을 넘어간다. 인터뷰이들은 하바드가 미국 정치권과 금융계에 강한 네트워크를 구축해 왔다고 주장한다. 여러 대통령과 정치인들이 하바드 행사에 참여했다는 이야기도 나오며, Rubashkin 지원운동도 이러한 네트워크의 힘을 보여준 사례로 해석된다.
이어 러시아의 하바드와 블라디미르 푸틴 정부의 관계까지 논의한다. 러시아에서 다른 유대 조직이나 유대인 재벌들이 푸틴과 충돌하는 동안 하바드가 정부와 비교적 우호적 관계를 유지하면서 종교적 영향력을 확대했다는 주장이다.
그러나 이 후반부로 갈수록 자료의 증거 수준은 약해진다. 포스트빌 노동현장에 대해서는 구체적인 목격담이 많지만, 워싱턴 정치권이나 러시아까지 확대되면서 인상·추론·소문에 가까운 주장도 섞인다.
따라서 <Postville에서의 관찰>과 <세계적 Chabad에 대한 일반론>은 같은 증거 수준으로 읽어서는 안 된다.
9. 평론: 이 자료의 가장 중요한 메시지는 ‘하바드’보다 ‘권력’이다
표면적으로 이 영상의 제목은 <CHABAD / POSTVILLE AND BEYOND>이고 실제로 하바드에 대해 매우 비판적이다.
그러나 나는 이 자료에서 가장 가치 있는 부분은 하바드 자체에 대한 종교적 비판이 아니라고 본다.
핵심은 오히려 다음 구조다.
<폐쇄적 종교공동체 + 자본 + 취약한 이주노동 + 지역정치 + 주택시장 + 집단적 자기방어>
이 요소들이 한 장소에 집중되었을 때 어떤 일이 발생하는가를 포스트빌이 보여준다.
그 점에서 포스트빌 사건을 단순히
<유대인 대 기독교인>
또는
<하시딤 대 미국인>
의 문화충돌로 이해하면 본질을 놓친다.
실제 갈등의 중요한 축은
<고용주 대 노동자>,
<시민권자 대 서류미비 이민자>,
<자산소유자 대 세입자>,
<강한 조직을 가진 집단 대 조직되지 못한 개인>
이었다.
즉 문화의 문제처럼 보이는 것이 실제로는 상당 부분 <권력의 문제>였던 것이다.
10. 동시에 필요한 반론
그러나 이 자료에 동의하면서도 반드시 경계해야 할 것이 있다.
영상은 하바드의 폐쇄성, 유대인/비유대인 구별, 선민의식, Agriprocessors의 노동착취를 하나의 연속선으로 연결하려 한다.
그런데 그 연결은 자동적으로 성립하지 않는다.
어떤 기업주가 노동자를 착취했다고 해서 그것이 곧 그의 종교 신학에서 직접 나온 행동이라고 단정할 수는 없다. 마찬가지로 강한 종교적 집단정체성을 유지한다고 해서 그것이 곧 타인에 대한 착취를 의미하지도 않는다.
자료가 가장 강한 순간은
<구체적인 노동조건과 권력관계를 말할 때>
이고,
가장 약해지는 순간은
<그 구체적 사례를 하바드 전체의 본질이나 유대교 신학의 필연적 결과로 확대할 때>
이다.
특히 KKK, 나치, 카포(capó) 등의 비유가 등장하는 부분은 인터뷰이의 분노를 보여주지만 분석적으로는 오히려 논지를 약화시킨다.
결론
<CHABAD / POSTVILLE AND BEYOND>는 균형 잡힌 하바드 입문서가 아니다. 오히려 <포스트빌 사건을 통해 하바드 공동체가 가진 폐쇄성·집단충성·경제력·정치적 네트워크를 비판적으로 조사하려는 반론적 다큐멘터리>라고 보는 것이 정확하다.
그럼에도 이 자료가 던지는 질문은 대단히 중요하다.
<종교공동체가 자신들의 내부 구성원에게 강한 연대와 자선을 베풀면서, 자신들을 위해 일하는 외부인에게는 같은 윤리적 책임을 느끼지 않을 수 있는가?>
마지막 부분에서 인터뷰이는 유대교의 <tikkun olam>, 곧 ‘세계를 수선한다/고친다’는 이상을 언급한다. 그런데 그의 결론은 역설적이다. 포스트빌의 일부 하바드 공동체는 ‘세계를 고치는 것’보다 ‘자기 세계를 지키는 것’에 훨씬 더 관심을 보였다는 것이다.
바로 여기에 이 긴 인터뷰의 가장 날카로운 도덕적 질문이 있다.
<한 공동체의 신앙을 평가하는 기준은 그 공동체가 자기 사람을 얼마나 사랑하는가가 아니라, 권력도 소속도 없는 타인을 어떻게 대하는가가 아닐까?>
이 질문으로 읽을 때, 이 자료는 단순한 ‘하바드 비판’을 넘어 종교공동체 일반에 대한 상당히 중요한 사회학적·윤리적 사례연구가 된다.
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0:4040 secondsManaka Mendel Schneerson was born in 1902 in Ukraine in the town of Nikolav, the city of Nikollay uh to a
0:4949 secondsLubavichassidic family. He was married to the uh middle daughter of the
0:5656 secondsprevious Luba who was also his cousin Yosfi Saksherson.
1:011 minute, 1 secondAnd in 1951 he took on the mantle of leadership of the Kabad Bubavic Kasidic
1:081 minute, 8 secondsmovement, a movement that was relatively small, certainly much more obscure to
1:151 minute, 15 secondsthe wide public than it would become under his leadership.
1:211 minute, 21 secondsAnd during the course of leading that movement until his death in 1994,
1:281 minute, 28 secondsuh he infused it with a great deal of messianic ferveny and activity
1:361 minute, 36 secondsand transformed it into a worldwide outreach movement that continues to try to change the character of Jewish life in the world uh to this day.
1:481 minute, 48 secondsNow in regard to Rabbi Manahim Mendel Schneerson
1:561 minute, 56 secondsand as far as the Labovich Kasidic Jews are concerned that's their rabbi. They call him the rebby. So
2:062 minutes, 6 secondswe can say that the Labovichic Jews are followers of Schneersen. I've spent
2:152 minutes, 15 secondsthe better part of a decade um studying in depth
2:232 minutes, 23 secondsthe thought the expressions which are in about 36 huge volumes of letters and diaries
2:322 minutes, 32 secondswritten mostly in Yiddish some in Hebrew of Manakim Schneerson
2:382 minutes, 38 secondsgoes on and on about why the soul of the Jew
2:442 minutes, 44 secondswhich is holy which lives on somewhere in eternity or heaven or next
2:522 minutes, 52 secondsto God after a person dies in terms of the physical body that the soul of the
2:582 minutes, 58 secondsJew is far superior. God made it so far superior to the soul of the non-Jew to
3:063 minutes, 6 secondsthe soul of the non-Jew. uh and we give a quotation or two in our book and that's clearly the case. Now, I could go
3:153 minutes, 15 secondson and on with this, but there but there there is something superior. But now, let me say something else that
3:253 minutes, 25 secondstranscends just the discussion of Schneersen or Kabad Lubavich oridic Jews
3:333 minutes, 33 secondsor even orim transcends it and goes right into orthodoxy. If one looks at looks at you
3:423 minutes, 42 secondsjust have to look at and read carefully the basic the most basic prayers in
3:503 minutes, 50 secondsorthodox Jewish prayer books. And I just have read again these prayers in the
3:583 minutes, 58 secondssynagogue last Saturday on Yom Kapor, the holiest day of the year, the end of the high holy days. If you look at these
4:074 minutes, 7 secondsprayers, they clearly outline and specify that Jews are superior. For
4:144 minutes, 14 secondsexample, thank you God for not for making me a Jew and not a member of
4:234 minutes, 23 secondsthose other nations that that that are uh that only live for vanity and so on
4:304 minutes, 30 secondsand so on and so forth. And there are prayers that go even further than that.
4:354 minutes, 35 secondsIf you are saying that there are one group of people who are essentially in a very essential
4:434 minutes, 43 secondssense different and better than another group which Ner and others clearly say that's racism and our normal
4:524 minutes, 52 secondsunderstanding. Now they don't use the word race in the same way and I say it's not it's not exactly the same. And it's not coming out of the laboratories uh of
5:005 minutesanthropologists and so on, but it definitely says there's something about a Jewish nasha soul that is superior.
5:095 minutes, 9 secondsAnd in terms of when you're dealing with non-Jews, there is a level of racism there. Kabad
5:165 minutes, 16 secondsviews non-Jews as being a lesser type of creation than Jews are. Even though they have outreach to non-Jews and they talk
5:245 minutes, 24 secondsabout various laws that non-Jews need to follow and how they can reach God that way and a whole list of things, they do also have this other problem which is
5:345 minutes, 34 secondssort of unique to them and to um a couple other small subgroups within ultraorththodoxy where non-Jews are
5:415 minutes, 41 secondsviewed as being um that their souls come from a place that's not as good as where Jewish souls come from. Look at it that
5:485 minutes, 48 secondsway. Um, that's actually a polite way of saying what they actually have written in the book called the Tanya, which was written by the first Rebi of Kabad, the
5:575 minutes, 57 secondsfirst rabbitic leader of Kabad in the late 1700s. You know, we as humans
6:036 minutes, 3 secondsaren't reduced to one characteristic, Jew versus non-Jew. But that's how
6:116 minutes, 11 secondsShalom and all of the Lubeters look at the world. You are a Jew.
6:176 minutes, 17 secondsAnd a Jew, by the way, is determined through bloodlines, through your mother's religion, not through your
6:246 minutes, 24 secondsfather's religion. It's a religion that's passed maternally from mother to child, from mother to child.
6:326 minutes, 32 secondsThey see the world divided uh in a kind of dualistic fashion between the good guys and the bad guys, the insiders and the outsiders.
6:426 minutes, 42 secondsThe world was made into Jew versus non-Jew. That's how most ultraorththodox looters look at the world.
6:546 minutes, 54 secondsYou're with us. You're a Jew or you're goyam. You're trafe non non-coosher.
7:037 minutes, 3 secondsYou you eat pork. You eat uh you're you're part of the hazerai. And so that
7:107 minutes, 10 secondswas the key that I was a Jew and as long as I was a Jew I was perceived as friend
7:177 minutes, 17 secondsnot foe. They believe that they alone know uh have the recipe for uh um the
7:257 minutes, 25 secondsway people ought to live. They that's not only uh limited to Jews. As a matter of fact, they have a a campaign called
7:327 minutes, 32 secondsthe 7 for70 campaign which plays on their the address of their worldwide headquarters 770 Eastern Parkway and
7:407 minutes, 40 secondsalso plays on the concept that in Jewish life uh according to traditional Jewish thinking there are 70 nations which
7:497 minutes, 49 secondsmeans all the the nations of the world and there are seven commandments given to Noah and the sons of Noah which
7:577 minutes, 57 secondsprecede Abraham and the Jewish people and the seven for 70 campaign is a campaign to get all the people of the
8:058 minutes, 5 secondsworld to abide by those seven commandments. That's another example of this kind of uh recipe that they believe
8:148 minutes, 14 secondsthat it is their task to make sure that the world uh that all people observe at least those seven commandments and that
8:218 minutes, 21 secondsthe Jews observe all the commandments uh that were given to them. And when all of that happens, that will bring about the day of redemption.
8:328 minutes, 32 secondsUh in many cases, you know, we've kind of had this cloud of political correctness hanging over us where people just don't even, you know, they get to
8:408 minutes, 40 secondsthe point where they're afraid to even talk to each other. They're afraid to say uh to say things to each other, to call each other on their behavior because remember again, I make a
8:488 minutes, 48 secondsdistinction between what people do and and who they are. And uh sometimes again with this cloud of political correctness hanging over us, we're afraid to have those kind of direct uh communication.
8:598 minutes, 59 secondsI don't think of them as the same. I think I think that any collection of human beings, any human organization is
9:069 minutes, 6 secondsis perfectly capable of their own bias and their own different sets of expectations.
9:129 minutes, 12 secondsUm, I understand that different groups are going to have different agendas and degree to which they choose to consider
9:199 minutes, 19 secondsthemselves separate from a broader society uh is really their own damn business. I mean, as long as uh I mean,
9:289 minutes, 28 secondsif that's the way that they choose to live their lives and worship God in the way that's comfortable to them and organize themselves and that's their message, uh I don't have a problem with
9:369 minutes, 36 secondsit as long as they don't interfere with my right or my opportunities to do the same. I would never try to impose upon
9:459 minutes, 45 secondsthem uh I would never try to impose upon other people my own views.
9:509 minutes, 50 secondsThey feel it's their righteous calling to um crusade against uh Jews like me who are trying to
9:599 minutes, 59 secondspersuade Jews uh away from believing in God. I understand their righteous or self-righteous passion. But on the other
10:0810 minutes, 8 secondshand, they have their own Messiah that they believe is the Messiah and they're just as evangelistic about Rabbi
10:1610 minutes, 16 secondsSchneerson who they think is going to rise from the dead and be the Messiah.
10:2010 minutes, 20 secondsAnd by the way, you know, most of these postville rabbis are are corrupt to their core or not most, I don't know, many of them been been caught
10:2810 minutes, 28 secondssubsequently in in various kinds of uh mistreatment of their workers and uh
10:3610 minutes, 36 secondsfinancial misdealings and so on. They're not a particularly estimable group, at least on the leadership level.
10:4210 minutes, 42 secondsThe rest of them I don't know that much about. Uh but uh and were they like that today, the Jews like that in history?
10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsI'm inclined to doubt it. It's too diver the Jews are too diverse. Uh and I don't think even the place they came from,
10:5710 minutes, 57 secondsthat is uh Eastern Europe, that was the predominant way that Jews operated. You
11:0411 minutes, 4 secondsknow, if Jews were that bad, so to speak, they wouldn't have survived. [laughter]
11:3311 minutes, 33 secondsI am worship.
11:4911 minutes, 49 secondsJust like
12:2812 minutes, 28 secondsHallelujah. Glory to you.
12:4412 minutes, 44 secondsWhat happened in Postville is a group of um kabadidic Jews um bought an old closed slaughterhouse and decided that
12:5212 minutes, 52 secondsthis was going to be the center for kosher meat production in uh North America. And they set out to make that
13:0013 minuteshappen. but they did it um in ways that that were
13:0713 minutes, 7 secondsweren't always legal and weren't always nice. And they created a large amount of animosity
13:1513 minutes, 15 secondswithin the local community, within the surrounding communities, uh with their suppliers, with uh um
13:2413 minutes, 24 secondspeople who were concerned about how the animals were being treated to whatever you can imagine. uh their own employees, they they create a tremendous amount of
13:3313 minutes, 33 secondsanimosity. It's going to cause tension when you have different people come together and especially when you have
13:4013 minutes, 40 secondsuh a situation um like with the the hetic Jews in town who as part of their
13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsculture and part of what uh trying to preserve their uh their religious purity
13:5413 minutes, 54 secondsand and keep their children from being affected by society. they choose to stay as a pretty insular um close-knit group.
14:0514 minutes, 5 secondsYou start out in a small town that way, and that's going to accept upset some people because people in small towns are
14:1214 minutes, 12 secondsused to saying hello, being polite to one another, holding doors for each other, uh don't have the same restrictions about men and women
14:2114 minutes, 21 secondsinteracting, and uh you know, and even in terms of what you do on the Sabbath or don't do on the Sabbath. So for years
14:3014 minutes, 30 secondsthe the tensions that existed um the the community different members of the community were trying to uh to come
14:3814 minutes, 38 secondstogether to learn about each other and uh embrace the diversity not necessarily
14:4414 minutes, 44 secondstry to change anybody but to try to understand everybody.
14:5114 minutes, 51 secondsUm, so you started to see things like um people from the Jewish community who
14:5814 minutes, 58 secondswouldn't say hello initially saying hello. All I was suggesting was can't we say hello? And Laser said no,
15:0715 minutes, 7 secondswe can't do that. We are separate and above and apart.
15:1215 minutes, 12 secondsUm, you know, authors really like turns in their books. And that was the turn for me in there was a in the pit of my
15:2015 minutes, 20 secondsstomach. I just felt no, no, no, no. This isn't what Jews do.
15:2815 minutes, 28 secondsThis isn't what people do. Merely saying hello ushers the Holocaust. Come on.
15:3615 minutes, 36 secondsIt's a very closed society.
15:4015 minutes, 40 secondsAnd as a town, Postville, I think, did their best to be open. And I find that paradoxical.
15:4715 minutes, 47 secondsYou know, the Ians welcomed the Lubeters with open arms. The Ians were just tickled pink that the Lubeters chose postfilm.
15:5915 minutes, 59 secondsThey, you know, the Ians, their perception of a Jew might be
16:0816 minutes, 8 secondsdeveloped from channel surfing and, you know, seeing Seinfeld, you know, for a couple of seconds and then going to another station, maybe ending at
16:1616 minutes, 16 secondsLawrence Welk, but there was no sense of who are these foreigners, who are these
16:2416 minutes, 24 secondspeople coming in controlling us. They really welcomed the Lubovich and they they they
16:3216 minutes, 32 secondsbent and they they were they just bent and bent and bent and they were pushed and
16:3816 minutes, 38 secondspushed and pushed. I don't like to call a spade a spade. Ians just will give and
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondsand they they were they welcomed the Lubeters. The beverage just took and took and took so much from this
16:5316 minutes, 53 secondscommunity until the locals said, "No, no, no more." Early on, we were questioned by some uh federal officials.
17:0217 minutes, 2 secondsUh do you people know of um human trafficking that was going on the plant?
17:0817 minutes, 8 secondsWell, at the time, I didn't even know what human trafficking was. I And I said, "No." Were they to ask me that now
17:1717 minutes, 17 secondsI would say yes indeed because um these workers were talking about signs they had seen even in their little villages
17:2517 minutes, 25 secondsabout work. Um they were saying the sign said come you'll have apartment free
17:3417 minutes, 34 secondsapartment furnished for a month so you get established you will get $10 an hour
17:4117 minutes, 41 secondsand uh the work you can start right away. All of that turned out to be a lie. So it was a trafficking to get them
17:4817 minutes, 48 secondsup here because once they were here and you had a long line applying, it was easier to fire somebody you didn't who
17:5717 minutes, 57 secondswas causing a little trouble, you know, and then hire one of these new workers.
18:0218 minutes, 2 secondsAnd as a matter of fact, uh the workforce went from Mexican to Guatemalan
18:0918 minutes, 9 secondsbecause it was easier to control the Guatemalans. They had less education and they were new arrivals who needed
18:1818 minutes, 18 secondsimmediately to get to work and have a place to live.
18:2218 minutes, 22 secondsYeah, these were all this was not happen stance. It was deliberate.
18:2618 minutes, 26 secondsAnd then the plant was also recruiting a lot of down andout Americans that were desperate for work that really needed um needed some type of employment. So they
18:3418 minutes, 34 secondswere going into inner cities for instance uh inner city African-Americans, Detroit, Chicago, those kinds of areas. uh low-income
18:4118 minutes, 41 secondsAppalachian whites. There were Native Americans that were brought in from other states to work in the plant. And so you had a real mix of different kinds of people coming in to the plant.
18:5318 minutes, 53 secondsThen the raid happens. So then people are all kind of shocked at what was going on, but still they didn't say much.
19:0019 minutesSo then the plant starts to bring in all these people from all over the country through their labor supply companies and people start to get pissed off.
19:0919 minutes, 9 secondsThings are being broken. Things are being robbed. Things are being fights in the in the tavern every night. Um, ears
19:1619 minutes, 16 secondslaying on the sidewalk one morning because there was such a nasty fight the night before. Stabbings. Police department keeping everything quiet because they don't want to they don't
19:2419 minutes, 24 secondswant to bother the community with what's going on and they won't release any news stories because they just don't know if they should. It was typical for farmers
19:3119 minutes, 31 secondsonce they retired to pass their land on to children if if they were interested in in farming or selling their land to someone else and then moving into town.
19:4219 minutes, 42 secondsWell, with the unrest and with with uh some of the crime and and other problems that came along with um the rotation of
19:5219 minutes, 52 secondsworkers that would have happen or the the the uh the flux I guess that happens in the
19:5819 minutes, 58 secondsworkforce. Um there would be times when things were pretty tense in town and it wasn't like it used to be where you could leave your doors unlocked. No one
20:0720 minutes, 7 secondslocked their car when they went downtown. sometimes just left it sitting there running.
20:1220 minutes, 12 secondsYou don't do that anymore because you don't necessarily know who was here in town or how long they've been here. You know, I think Postville in many ways is
20:1920 minutes, 19 secondssort of out front in America. And I think if you want to see what will happen in America in 2015, 2020, go to
20:3020 minutes, 30 secondsPostville. You know, Postville takes us right to the heart of multicultural
20:3620 minutes, 36 secondsAmerica. in in Postville, you don't have elements that confuse the issue.
20:4620 minutes, 46 secondsIt's a very small town. It's not like Los Angeles or Chicago or Miami or Houston or New York.
20:5320 minutes, 53 secondsThere no distractions. It's a social laboratory.
20:5820 minutes, 58 secondsYou really see all these other things get jettisoned to the side and you
21:0421 minutes, 4 secondsreally see what happens when a group of dummy what kind of group it is but a
21:1321 minutes, 13 secondsgroup of strident people who believe their way is God's way when they choose
21:2021 minutes, 20 secondsto park themselves in a community and really not care about the community.
21:2821 minutes, 28 secondsI think you have to understand too that the lay the lay world, generally speaking, the lay world that I work in, they have no idea what kabad is.
21:3821 minutes, 38 secondsThey understand a lot of them there are the Orthodox Jews, you know, you got to understand it. Most of the people that I
21:4621 minutes, 46 secondswork with would couldn't have this conversation because they don't share the same vocabulary. There's nothing wrong with that.
21:5321 minutes, 53 secondsYou you know people don't I can guarantee you that a lot of people don't even realize that there is a kabad movement that there are members who
22:0122 minutes, 1 secondbelong to kabad. Uh I'll give you an example. Okay. Typical Shabbat in postfilm. Okay. Folks are dressed
22:0922 minutes, 9 secondsappropriately. They're going to sh they're going to synagogue.
22:1222 minutes, 12 secondsUm at various times there have been people from different sects of course who part participated and of course different sects for example that wear
22:2022 minutes, 20 secondsdifferent head gear. Sorry. And I can guarantee you that most of the postvillians that I know and known for years could not tell you the difference
22:2922 minutes, 29 secondsbetween the two sex based on the hats that they were wearing. I don't think they just re I don't think they realize a lot of people don't realize that there is a kabad.
22:3922 minutes, 39 secondsPeople knew nothing about about orthodox or certainly not about anything about their sect uh the hedum.
22:4922 minutes, 49 secondsSo only what they've learned um having lived here and lived with them. Um the majority of these people had probably
22:5622 minutes, 56 secondsnever met a Jewish person before they started to move here.
23:0023 minutesPostville as a community tried to be so open to a variety of peoples coming in.
23:0723 minutes, 7 secondsBut the religion of the particular group of Jewish people that we had within Postfield, it was not in their
23:1423 minutes, 14 secondsprinciples to maintain that same openness. And I just say that's kind of a paradox that you you want that
23:2323 minutes, 23 secondsopenness within your community, but it isn't coming from that particular group.
23:2723 minutes, 27 secondsBut I don't think their religion permits that.
23:3123 minutes, 31 secondsThe Lubovich have shown themselves particularly in Postville to be so antithetical to American democracy.
23:4023 minutes, 40 secondsUm they have bribed officials. They have flagrantly flipped
23:4823 minutes, 48 secondsthe bird to anyone who disagrees with with the simple rejoinder.
23:5323 minutes, 53 secondsIf you disagree with us, you're an anti-semite.
23:5623 minutes, 56 secondsWhat? You're questioning us? That's anti-semitism. And that would shut most people up.
24:0324 minutes, 3 secondsExcept it didn't shut us up. Because my response is, "Yeah, but you're anti-gentile."
24:1224 minutes, 12 secondsI mean, do you ever discuss that? You ever even see it in print? I mean, come on. You've not treated the Gentiles here very well.
24:2224 minutes, 22 secondsWhat's Let's hear somebody talk about that. No, that that it's exactly what I'm talking about.
24:3024 minutes, 30 secondsThat's the lack of tolerance. That's the lack of diversity. That's the non-Jews are not as good as us. That they have souls that come from a a place that's
24:3724 minutes, 37 secondsnot pure. That they're that they're rooted in a lower creation almost. I mean, you know, if you were going to
24:4524 minutes, 45 secondslook at at the the old evolution, except you wouldn't view it as evolution because it's they don't believe in evolution. But if you
24:5324 minutes, 53 secondsif you were ranking, you know, human beings and and creation, right? So you would have Jews, this is them. Jews are on top, right? Then you've got non-Jews.
25:0425 minutes, 4 secondsThen you have the great apes. Then you have, right? And it goes down like this to rocks, right?
25:1525 minutes, 15 secondsWell, first of all, you should know I'm the only one on our staff who ever toured the plant.
25:2125 minutes, 21 secondsAnd uh as far as the Habad and their work at the plant,
25:2925 minutes, 29 secondsuh in my work as a a missionary, I ended up in Texas
25:3825 minutes, 38 secondsand worked there for two years and toured a good many meat processing plants,
25:4625 minutes, 46 secondsPilgrim's Pr uh Pride, chickens, and you name Tyson's and altogether maybe
25:5425 minutes, 54 secondsa dozen different meat processing plants. This one without question was the dirtiest,
26:0226 minutes, 2 secondsmost unsafe one I've ever been through.
26:0726 minutes, 7 secondsIt it there was I couldn't see why there weren't more accidents because they paid
26:1326 minutes, 13 secondsso much attention on loading meat up and shipping it off to Chicago and New York and not on worker safety. They didn't
26:2226 minutes, 22 secondshave earplugs for the workers. Uh many of them did not have safety gloves. Uh
26:2826 minutes, 28 secondsthey all had to buy their own uh rubber bibs to protect against blood and so on.
26:3626 minutes, 36 secondsclean their own uniforms. I knew that uh there was going to be major problems and it was directly
26:4526 minutes, 45 secondsconnected to the way the uh hesetic Jews here were running that plant. Uh there
26:5226 minutes, 52 secondswere lies uh in the second of the tour that I had.
26:5926 minutes, 59 secondsIt was probably about in uh 200 uh three 2002
27:0827 minutes, 8 secondsthey uh the guide told me directly and I couldn't believe it. Our goal is to become the largest kosher plant in the
27:1727 minutes, 17 secondsworld and con uh control all the meat that goes in to Israel.
27:2327 minutes, 23 secondsAnd then when I saw how they were breaking all the uh kosher rules in the book of Leviticus and their own
27:3127 minutes, 31 secondsreligious texts, it just staggered the imagination that this could be happening.
27:3827 minutes, 38 secondsthe the slaughter house reminds some Jews of a concentration camp, a
27:4627 minutes, 46 secondsconcentration camp for animals, you know, for for cattle, for turkeys, for
27:5227 minutes, 52 secondsfor chickens. Um, you you're well aware that PETA was able to infiltrate the
27:5927 minutes, 59 secondsslaughterhouse in Postville and and um took videos of of horrific, horrendous scenes of abuse.
28:1328 minutes, 13 secondsI mean, some of that abuse, some of the unsanitary conditions I write about in the book. I mean that, you know, you
28:2128 minutes, 21 secondstake it from upper level management, even mid-level and lower level management, with the exception of a few white guys at the lower levels,
28:2928 minutes, 29 secondseverybody was acting to the same end as far as plant management there goes. They were acting that they wanted to squeeze
28:3728 minutes, 37 secondsas much money out of that product as they could by spending as little as they could.
28:4328 minutes, 43 secondsSo, you know, forced overtime, no vacation pay. Um, it was all part of the grand plan to keep the product at a very
28:5228 minutes, 52 secondslow cost. And then once they got it out, they they really did up the price quite a bit because it was kosher. But for the
29:0129 minutes, 1 secondfirst time, kosher meat becomes available outside of a boutique butcher shop. It's it's mass- prodduced. It's available at what seems to be cheaper
29:1029 minutes, 10 secondsrates, but substantially more expensive than regular meat, but those people who keep kosher
29:1829 minutes, 18 secondswould keep it. But then I start hearing stories about from guys on the line saying, "Well, we get this meat from
29:2529 minutes, 25 secondsColorado, this beef from Colorado now that comes from their plant out there, from the Nebraska plant that it's kind of green when it gets here."
29:3429 minutes, 34 secondsBut as soon as it comes in, the rabbis disappear.
29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsAnd so they're running this lousy meat through the trae is what they call it, I think, because it's unfit for not only human consumption, but it's so far from kosher that you couldn't even touch it.
29:5029 minutes, 50 secondsAnd so the rabbis disappear when that's coming through. But yet, they still have product to ship out. I do know that many
29:5729 minutes, 57 secondsof the allegations that the feds made against the slaughterhouse were in the book. I mean, there was drug trafficking
30:0630 minutes, 6 secondsgoing on in the slaughterhouse. there was gun trafficking going on in the
30:1330 minutes, 13 secondsslaughter house. Um, in terms of sexual harassment,
30:1930 minutes, 19 secondsum, it was rampant way back in the early 90s. I wrote about that. Um,
30:2730 minutes, 27 secondsthere were women I talked to who told me, "If you don't put out for your boss, you will be out of a job." I do know it
30:3530 minutes, 35 secondswas the worstkept secret in Iowa after the book came out that if you wanted a job, you could always get a job in Postville.
30:4630 minutes, 46 secondsYou know, the the this whole issue of oh gee, you have to have you know, you have to be documented. That was all garbage.
30:5530 minutes, 55 secondsAll you need to do is knock on the window of the employment office at Agroprocessors
31:0431 minutes, 4 secondsin the morning. In the afternoon, you'd be on the kill floor. They had two different payrolls. They were um paying the immigrant workers, the undocumented
31:1231 minutes, 12 secondsimmigrant workers, much less than they were paying the for the most part the u quote unquote American workers. Um they
31:2031 minutes, 20 secondswere stealing overtime. they were making people work working having work forced overtime and then you know not paying
31:2731 minutes, 27 secondsthem for it. Um you had kids working um 12 to 14 hour days 6 days a week when
31:3431 minutes, 34 secondsthey were supposed to be in school um 7:00 a.m. to uh sometimes 10:00 p.m.
31:4031 minutes, 40 secondsWhen it started with 3 400 workers that plant could handle that but when it
31:4731 minutes, 47 secondsgot up to 900 it couldn't. part of that plant should be condemned. It was so old. And when I took my tours,
31:5631 minutes, 56 secondsuh the working conditions were horrendous. There was blood flowing on the floor. Um people who came to me said
32:0432 minutes, 4 secondsthat they would cut like this with an electric saw just cutting the legs off chickens that were hanging uh for 8 n 10
32:1432 minutes, 14 secondshours a day with one half hour off to eat. The stories I used to hear were
32:2132 minutes, 21 secondsmany uh because it wasn't uncommon for people that I got to know that
32:2832 minutes, 28 secondsespecially guys that were younger guys that didn't have families and even family men as well, but it wasn't uncommon for them to after work or on a
32:3732 minutes, 37 secondsgiven evening just to come by and just to chat. And and I think the the
32:4532 minutes, 45 secondsworst condition, if you want to call it a condition, is is just how they were driven. They were
32:5232 minutes, 52 secondsdriven to a point of of you may as well say, um, slavery basically because they pushed them so hard.
33:0233 minutes, 2 secondsThere were minors and other people with very little training working with knives in very fast environments. There's certainly a lot of health issues because
33:1033 minutes, 10 secondsof the speed of the line and the lack of breaks of just the repetitiveness of it.
33:1433 minutes, 14 secondsPeople have repeatedly testified to having to do, you know, to process 60 chickens, you know, if you're doing a cut. I remember one particular person
33:2233 minutes, 22 secondsthat talked about taking a chicken breast, you know, and and you have to remove it from the bone. And that requires I don't remember exactly the number of cuts, but it's several cuts
33:3033 minutes, 30 secondsjust to do that piece of it. And you're doing 60 in a minute. I mean, that's a second. And you're doing this for hours on end. and often without very much training or no training at all.
33:4033 minutes, 40 secondsI'm not a doctor, but while I was pastor here on a regular basis, I had people coming in saying, "I can't lift my arm."
33:5033 minutes, 50 secondsUm, young people uh with cuts.
33:5533 minutes, 55 secondsAnd right behind our rectory here is the offices of a doctor who was doing a lot of work for for the plant
34:0434 minutes, 4 secondswhere they could go and get a band-aid or get something sprayed on and then the plant would say be back to work tomorrow
34:1234 minutes, 12 secondsor there won't be any job for you. I saw that on a regular basis. So it's it's it was a horrible working working
34:1934 minutes, 19 secondsconditions in that place. They atrocious. um they made those people work incredibly fast under the threat of
34:2634 minutes, 26 secondsbeing fired immediately because they had such a a a a ready workforce available.
34:3334 minutes, 33 secondsThey they could they could hold these people over the barrel for for no reason whatsoever except production.
34:4034 minutes, 40 secondsDifferent people have talked about there's one gentleman who talked about being hit with a meat cleaver, you know, uh because of not moving fast enough
34:4834 minutes, 48 secondswithin the factory by one of the supervisors. Um there is the story that was actually a gentleman gave his
34:5634 minutes, 56 secondstestimony before a congressional visit that came to town about losing his arm in a machine and that's a very gruesome
35:0335 minutes, 3 secondsstory just very very visual of his arm being trapped in this part of the machine. Uh you know they they didn't
35:1035 minutes, 10 secondshave adequate safety equipment in place to prevent something like this. the the guy was cleaning the machine that had been stuck and one of the supervisors in
35:1835 minutes, 18 secondsfrustration because the machine was stuck started it and got this guy's arm caught in it. Basically destroyed his arm. It was caught in the piece inside
35:2735 minutes, 27 secondsthe machine so they couldn't release him with it. They dealt with him fairly poorly with the rush to try to get the machine back and the operation back and
35:3435 minutes, 34 secondsrunning. They removed it. Uh you know it took a long time. The guy was trapped in this machine for quite some time. They put him on a stretcher, took him to the
35:4135 minutes, 41 secondshospital. they removed his arm from it and basically returned the same machine, the same piece back to the machine and kept working. I mean, it's just the the
35:5035 minutes, 50 secondsmany of the stories just um point to an approach to individuals as moving parts of a machine as a whole. You know, that
35:5835 minutes, 58 secondsthat image uh really has stayed with me because I think it was emblematic of the way that people were viewed uh within
36:0536 minutes, 5 secondsthe company. Two young women said that they began working when they were 14 and um
36:1336 minutes, 13 secondsuh they worked up to 12 hours. Uh there are it's it's not only at agusters that
36:2336 minutes, 23 secondsuh workers special women have to wear diapers because they're not given time to go to the bathroom. That's nothing new. Uh but
36:3136 minutes, 31 secondsthat happened there. Uh there's a testimony of a woman who uh because she
36:3836 minutes, 38 secondswas not allowed to take uh breaks and she was diabetic, she lost her child. Um
36:4836 minutes, 48 secondsand I do have a woman on camera saying that because she was not given time to go to the bathroom, she peed on the line.
36:5636 minutes, 56 secondsUh people would also have proposition a lot of the women were propositioned sexually by supervisors and sometimes
37:0437 minutes, 4 secondsthreatened you know with losing work or pay or or would be shifted to harder work if they didn't comply with those
37:1237 minutes, 12 secondsexpectations or if they tried to complain about it. So I think the pervasiveness was fear and the sense
37:1837 minutes, 18 secondsthat you were really had no right. Yes, it was uh
37:2537 minutes, 25 secondsit was there was there was abuse at the plant. Some of the supervisors
37:3237 minutes, 32 secondswould require uh some of the women to give sexual favors in exchange for
37:3937 minutes, 39 secondseither a job or a better shift. None of us really had an understanding of the full the
37:4737 minutes, 47 secondsfull uh level of of dysfunction is I guess what I would say that was going on there at the plant.
37:5337 minutes, 53 secondsOnce the raid happened and people knew they had lost their jobs anyway, they had nothing more to lose. We started
38:0138 minutes, 1 secondhearing the horror stories. you know, one of the supervisors who uh would say, "If you want a job here, you have to buy
38:1038 minutes, 10 secondsa car from me." Or, "If you want to be moved to a different line, you have to buy a car from me." And they were junk vehicles that didn't have a title, maybe
38:1838 minutes, 18 secondshad the VIN numbers scratched out, and it was just a way of extorting money from uh from the workers. We started
38:2638 minutes, 26 secondshearing about sexual abuse that was happening and sexual propositioning, very inappropriate uh situations about um beatings and abuse that had happened.
38:3838 minutes, 38 secondsUm yeah, well, there was one story that had floated around about someone being hit with a meat hook because I don't know if he wasn't working fast enough or
38:4738 minutes, 47 secondsit's been long enough ago. I don't remember the issue, but uh you know some of those stories started coming out and you'll find those in the media accounts
38:5538 minutes, 55 secondsif you search on them and and look through them. This is stuff that has become public knowledge since. But but it was I mean to me there was a
39:0439 minutes, 4 secondsdefinitely a a culture um a negative culture that that had been established there at the plant and uh a culture of
39:1339 minutes, 13 secondsabuse and a culture of um taking advantage of the workers who were there.
39:1839 minutes, 18 secondsYou know we we keep hearing that these are folks who were making more money than they ever had before. Very
39:2539 minutes, 25 secondstrue. Very true. But by US standards um they were not making very much money and
39:3339 minutes, 33 secondsthey were also in uh situations where they were being treated very poorly and had no way to complain. There was nowhere for them to go.
39:4039 minutes, 40 secondsUh if they complained to a state agency, they would find out that the people were undocumented and and uh you know they
39:4839 minutes, 48 secondswould risk being deported certainly. So the abuse was able to go on. So the most consistent types of things were, you
39:5739 minutes, 57 secondsknow, people have talked about the pressure for work, you know, that that was just like constant, just no
40:0440 minutes, 4 secondsstopping, just very demanding work conditions and that that productivity was um, you know, obtained by yelling,
40:1440 minutes, 14 secondsby you know, speeding up the line, by threats about losing your employment.
40:1940 minutes, 19 secondsThere was no room for illness. There was no room for excuses. Their breaks were seldom provided adequately. You know,
40:2740 minutes, 27 secondsthere would be something in writing about what their contract time would be when they would have breaks and stuff and that wasn't respected. They often
40:3440 minutes, 34 secondstalked about there was a time when you went in, but there was no clarity when you went out. Basically, whatever the work was for that day had to be
40:4140 minutes, 41 secondscompleted. And even though the law says, you know, after 8 hours is your choice and you'll get paid overtime if you choose to remain, there was really no
40:4940 minutes, 49 secondschoice. if you wanted to keep your work, you just kept going till the job was done. And and so, you know, people dealt
40:5640 minutes, 56 secondswith issues around their child care. You know, if you have a kid waiting at home, you don't have arrangements for after your work shift, but you have no idea
41:0441 minutes, 4 secondswhen you're getting out because it's just till the line is done. And so there was that constant constant pressure. Uh
41:1141 minutes, 11 secondsso overtime was really not an option. It was pretty much required. it wasn't always compensated uh as overtime. Uh
41:1941 minutes, 19 secondspeople often felt that, you know, the hours that they clocked in didn't match the hours that they were paid for. Uh
41:2641 minutes, 26 secondsthat they wouldn't be adequately uh compensated.
41:3041 minutes, 30 secondsIt was common knowledge among people who had been working there for a long time that it didn't pay to work overtime
41:3741 minutes, 37 secondsbecause the more you worked, the more uh hours you were not paid for. So
41:4441 minutes, 44 secondsyou see all of the the um Hispanic families that we worked with that were Christian Catholics
41:5241 minutes, 52 secondscould never get out of work on Christmas and Easter because those were Sundays.
42:0142 minutes, 1 secondAnd yet when uh Passover another feast came and they
42:0842 minutes, 8 secondsthere was no work up here and even during the uh Passover celebrations
42:1542 minutes, 15 secondsthe community Hispanic community uh didn't have any job but to get we requested the plan
42:2442 minutes, 24 secondsjust to give them an hour off so they go to church on Christmas and Easter and we're totally ignored. The system within the plan was quite hierarchical, you
42:3342 minutes, 33 secondsknow, and the hierarchy was used as a way to press down. So that whatever pressure was coming from a higher level just got harder and harder as you came
42:4242 minutes, 42 secondsdown. And the system was set up by different helmet colors, which I think is still something they do. So that the workers in the plant, and that may be
42:4942 minutes, 49 secondscommon to other plants, I'm not sure, but people were identified in their status by the helmets that they wore. So that's the way they've experienced the
42:5742 minutes, 57 secondsworld. There are people with and people without. You're the worker, you have very few rights, you know, and then there's the people who have. So the
43:0443 minutes, 4 secondspeople who have become [clears throat] monolithic. I think to some extent people probably distinguish some between the rabbis, you know, these group. I
43:1343 minutes, 13 secondsdon't think any of them would ever use the term Habad. I don't think that most of them would have a a sense that there are varieties of Judaism and different
43:2143 minutes, 21 secondsways of being it. They hardly, you know, most people I've talked to, you know, it's sort of like a a foreign thing, you know, but yeah, so they would have a sense that those who have have everything.
43:3143 minutes, 31 secondsThey have the housing, they have the food, they have the jobs, they have the power.
43:3643 minutes, 36 secondsEverybody was called a a rabbi as long as you had
43:4243 minutes, 42 secondsthe same garb and they were rabbis to the workers. I don't think the workers
43:4843 minutes, 48 secondsknew uh who did what here even uh Jews that were working in the plant
43:5743 minutes, 57 secondssupervisors were called rabbis by by the workers.
44:0044 minutesYes, they had a u rabbi room in the plant that was off limits to anybody who wasn't uh hidic.
44:1044 minutes, 10 secondsWhile at the same time they had nearly a thousand workers, they only had one rest room for women and a lot of times it was plugged up.
44:2044 minutes, 20 secondsThe men also used that one for women, but the men had another one whereas the women
44:2844 minutes, 28 secondsmany times during work could not go to the restroom. They either had to go in their
44:3644 minutes, 36 secondspants or hold it. And after the raid, we discovered one woman especially, she had kidney
44:4444 minutes, 44 secondsproblems. She had have some serious u medical attention just from holding.
44:5244 minutes, 52 secondsOne of the worst uh stories and and it was more than a story. It's it's been heard by many people. Many people said
44:5844 minutes, 58 secondsit uh many of the workers said it that their uh
45:0645 minutes, 6 secondsbreak room or the lunchroom where they would sit down to eat, there was a some sort of a trench,
45:1445 minutes, 14 secondsa drainage trench trench that ran through there and that on many occasions or on several occasions anyhow, there
45:2245 minutes, 22 secondswould be a sewer back up and that stuff would back up right into that area where they were having their lunch. So, I mean, I don't know how you can have any
45:3145 minutes, 31 secondsworse sanitary conditions than something like that. I I've heard of many occasions where uh um
45:4045 minutes, 40 secondsagain speaking of how fast the conveyor belts were moving as of meat falling on the floor and that it was just picked up and just continue going with it.
45:5245 minutes, 52 secondsOne of my first questions to one of the first people I interview, I said, "Why did you put up with this kind of
45:5945 minutes, 59 secondssituation where you couldn't take bathroom breaks, where you were paying
46:0446 minutes, 4 secondsless than you had work?" And she said, "Um,
46:1346 minutes, 13 secondsfrom nothing to a little bit, there's a big difference.
46:1646 minutes, 16 secondsAnd for somebody who uh was making back in Guatemala, what she could make
46:2546 minutes, 25 secondshere, what it would take her a month to earn there, she could earn here in 3
46:3146 minutes, 31 secondsdays. Uh even though she was, you know, living her life there. Uh it meant the
46:3946 minutes, 39 secondslifeline meant that she could pay for her parents' medicines. It it meant that she could pay for her kids. uh food back
46:4746 minutes, 47 secondshome. So, it was this really bittersweet situation
46:5446 minutes, 54 secondswhere you know you're getting screwed, but hey, it's better than than nothing.
47:0347 minutes, 3 secondsLike most situations of exploitation, you have fear that prevents people from speaking openly. uh in most situations
47:1147 minutes, 11 secondsonce you add the layer of people living without documentation and with very little understanding of their own rights. In the particular case of the
47:1847 minutes, 18 secondspeople who worked in Pville, a large portion of them come from Guatemala where people are fearful of organizing of
47:2747 minutes, 27 secondsraising any concerns. You know, you you have a long history. that you are familiar with with the history in Guatemala. But in Guatemalan history
47:3647 minutes, 36 secondstalking, anybody who talks, anybody who complains, you know, there are consequences to this. Fear has historically been used in the country to
47:4447 minutes, 44 secondsreally keep people down, you know, and so that's a cultural issue that people are already carrying with them. I think
47:5147 minutes, 51 secondswithin the plant at agri processor whether it was intentional or not there was a use of that fear against the
47:5947 minutes, 59 secondsworkers you know and so I definitely think that we know very little about what actually happened in that place. We know very little about the kinds of
48:0848 minutes, 8 secondsconditions people put up with and the kind of the number of you know accidents or the untold sort of price that people
48:1748 minutes, 17 secondspaid physically in their bodies in their minds from this kind of work. kind of trauma.
48:2248 minutes, 22 secondsThe things that I read in declarations by former workers were next to unbelievable
48:3048 minutes, 30 secondsbecause it's like they knew they needed the job.
48:3648 minutes, 36 secondsThey knew they had to have the job. They knew that if they lost the job, it was not just their family here
48:4448 minutes, 44 secondslocally that was going to suffer. But a lot of these folks also, because they're so close-knit, family
48:5348 minutes, 53 secondsoriented, are still supporting family members back in their home countries.
48:5948 minutes, 59 secondsSo, they were put in a no in a no win situation. and they had to they had to pretty much put up with whatever was dished out to them.
49:1049 minutes, 10 secondsBut it is my understanding that at one point enough the majority of the workers had
49:1749 minutes, 17 secondssigned up and were willing and wanted to have a union.
49:2249 minutes, 22 secondsAnd of course the Robashkans were always looking for a way to derail that because I think the last thing they wanted to
49:2949 minutes, 29 secondssee in there was a union. So as they saw the union gaining strength of the
49:3549 minutes, 35 secondsworkers, they would also have meetings with the workers and try to discourage
49:4249 minutes, 42 secondsthem from from ever voting for a union. And uh
49:5149 minutes, 51 secondsI think I think the the final thing that derailed what could have been a union there is the fact that he told them that
49:5849 minutes, 58 secondsbecause they were und they were told and that came out in the press.
50:0450 minutes, 4 secondsUm he had told the workers that they didn't have a right to have a union because they were undocumented. So, I always
50:1150 minutes, 11 secondsfound a lot of irony in him saying that and then also at the same time in other
50:1950 minutes, 19 secondsum statements saying that he wasn't aware that he had undocumented workers in his plant when he was the one that came out and said, "No, you can't have a
50:2750 minutes, 27 secondsunion because you're undocumented." So, I see a lot of irony in that. During the child labor violations trial, it came
50:3650 minutes, 36 secondsout that uh they were told that if they did not work the hours that they were required to
50:4450 minutes, 44 secondswork, they would either lose their job or uh the immigration authorities would be called.
50:5250 minutes, 52 secondsEverybody in town knew there were minors working in the company. uh the school system knew they were kids that just, you know, would show up for school for a year or two and then disappear, you know, no longer come back to school.
51:0251 minutes, 2 secondsWhen when I first got here, my first job was actually at the school. I was the bilingual outreach coordinator. And so I worked with mostly high school and
51:1051 minutes, 10 secondsmiddle age middle school students and their families. Um and there were quite a few the big that would drop out of school to go work at the plant. And that
51:1751 minutes, 17 secondswas common knowledge to everybody in town in the school system that everybody knew that happened. was the worstkept secret possible. Um, and my one of my
51:2651 minutes, 26 secondsmain duties was to try to create a trusting relationship with the middle school students and their families to help that transition from middle school
51:3451 minutes, 34 secondsto high school. That's where we lost most of the kids after 8th grade.
51:3751 minutes, 37 secondsBetween 8th grade and 9th grade, that transition just for some reason was not happening. They prefer to go to work at that point. So, that was one of my main responsibilities was to try to keep the
51:4551 minutes, 45 secondskids in school instead of working at the plant. But I have young workers saying that they got hurt. They were not sent
51:5251 minutes, 52 secondsto the hospital. They were just put a band-aid and sent back to work. Uh there's two workers. One of them lost
52:0152 minutes, 1 secondtwo fingers and another one lost an arm and they were both um uh one of them was
52:1052 minutes, 10 secondsunderage. I heard anecdotally an anecdotally people who talked about having different payments coming out of their paycheck that they didn't really
52:1952 minutes, 19 secondsyou know supposedly were for healthare or for some kind of premiums but when it came to receiving care you know that wasn't really available to them. Uh if
52:2852 minutes, 28 secondsthey got injured at work they often would be poorly cared for at that moment and then sent back to the line.
52:3652 minutes, 36 secondsGuys that get up to $850 maybe $9 an hour. I never heard of anybody getting $9 an hour. Not the common line workers, at least not the Hispanics anyhow.
52:4552 minutes, 45 secondsBut I think that once you reached a certain point where you've been there so long and it was time to change that
52:5352 minutes, 53 secondsdocument again or that identity, I think that was just kind of a way of again putting somebody back in that starting wage again and start all over again.
53:0453 minutes, 4 secondsIt was horrifying. It was. So, I set to work trying to verify as much of that as I could. First call I made was to a
53:1253 minutes, 12 secondsfriend of mine who operated the Postville Bakery, Elver. Um, Elver was a Guatemalan immigrant himself and had
53:2053 minutes, 20 secondsworked at the plant for a number of years. And I asked him if he would come in and talk to me about some of this.
53:2653 minutes, 26 secondsSo, we were talking and we were on air and I asked him about the the allegations about the plant
53:3353 minutes, 33 secondsmanufacturing IDs and and he said on the air. He said, "Yeah, there was no doubt about it. Um, they offered me a position
53:4253 minutes, 42 secondson first shift and said I could have it if I wanted it, but I needed to get a new ID."
53:4953 minutes, 49 secondsAnd he said that he told him he didn't have one and they said, "Well, don't worry. we can get you one for $150.
53:5753 minutes, 57 secondsAnd this went out live on the air. After the plant shut down, they were scrambling to get laborers in. So, they employed a couple of labor supply
54:0554 minutes, 5 secondshouses. Um, one of them very unscrupulous. Imagine that. And they would reach out to they they'd put their
54:1354 minutes, 13 secondsbuses outside of prisons and and the guys coming out of prison getting on parole, they'd put them on the bus and say, "Look, we got work in Postville." It's not just that he committed bank
54:2154 minutes, 21 secondsfraud or wire fraud or whatever, which was that he faxed, you know, false information, which is wire fraud. It's
54:2854 minutes, 28 secondsnot just that, you know, the man lied to the feds. The man obstructed justice. He
54:3554 minutes, 35 secondsdestroyed evidence. He bribed the mayor of Postville. There are dozens and dozens. You have aggravated identity
54:4254 minutes, 42 secondstheft. of dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of crimes that this man is alleged to have committed besides the
54:5054 minutes, 50 secondsones he was charged with. There were two of them operating in cooperation with Agra. The first one
54:5854 minutes, 58 secondswas out of uh Waterl Iowa. Um they brought in 150 people within the first week. local people or these
55:0655 minutes, 6 secondsthese were all local Iowa people um mostly from Waterl and Cedar Falls where they could draw from a lower income market.
55:1355 minutes, 13 secondsUm they brought them up, put them to work immediately and within oh two or three weeks
55:2255 minutes, 22 secondspulled every one of their employees who would go citing safety concerns. So then they reached out to this labor supply
55:2855 minutes, 28 secondscompany out of Indiana uh by the name of One Force.
55:3355 minutes, 33 secondsUm they were the ones who were subcontracting and and recruiting from other labor supply groups in Texas where
55:4155 minutes, 41 secondsthey did the the recruiting at the [cough] excuse me the recruiting at the homeless shelters uh the prisons. So, we
55:4955 minutes, 49 secondswere getting people in town with dependency problems, medical problems,
55:5755 minutes, 57 secondsand to be brutally honest, mental problems and no services,
56:0556 minutes, 5 secondsnothing within 100 miles. So, I did an interview with one of these girls that came in from Texas from one of the homeless shelters. She was diabetic,
56:1356 minutes, 13 secondsschizophrenic, manic depressive, which I guess now is bipolar. That's the proper way to say that. um a litany of drug abuse and alcohol abuse.
56:2456 minutes, 24 secondsThey brought her in, put her in a house with nine men to start with.
56:3256 minutes, 32 secondsShe went to work, used to be on the streets in Texas where it was probably in the '9s most of the time and then
56:4056 minutes, 40 secondsimmediately began working inside the plant where it was 55. So, she contracted a cold or she got a cold.
56:4756 minutes, 47 secondsShe didn't go to work. She had a doctor's excuse, but they fired her right away. So, I tracked her down to get her story and put her on the air.
56:5756 minutes, 57 secondsAs soon as one of my board members heard it, he immediately contacted him Abramson at the plant, who was also one
57:0457 minutes, 4 secondsof my board members, and said that I was dividing the community by broadcasting unsubstantiated stories.
57:1657 minutes, 16 secondsbut hers was just one of many. Um, there were others that
57:2357 minutes, 23 secondswere just as as as ridiculous. These labor supply companies were working in in tandem in partnership with with the
57:3057 minutes, 30 secondsrealy companies in town, the two Jewish realy companies in a house that ordinarily rents for 300 $350 max in
57:3757 minutes, 37 secondsthat town. They would jam in 10, 11, 12, 14, 16 people and charge them $125 a
57:4557 minutes, 45 secondsweek. So in some cases, they're getting $3,000 a month for a house that's falling falling apart around these
57:5357 minutes, 53 secondspeople. Right after the raid, the the connection between the company and housing was very obvious because they were actually taking out the money out
58:0258 minutes, 2 secondsof the out of their paycheck. They had contracted with a kind of like temporary work uh organization to try to find
58:1058 minutes, 10 secondsworkers for them. And so they would bring people and tell them all kinds of things about what they would receive, you know, by coming here. So they brought people from whenever they could
58:1858 minutes, 18 secondsfind them. But along with that, the temporary agency then as a subcontractor was taking out, you know, a fee for housing, a fee for this, a fee for that,
58:2758 minutes, 27 secondsfinders fee, whatever it was, you know, and so by the time people actually were here, the conditions that they were told they would receive were not at all what
58:3558 minutes, 35 secondsthey expected. And then often times there were so many deductions from their paychecks that they ended up with absolutely nothing. And so you have a
58:4258 minutes, 42 secondscommunity that's already quite burdened trying to support others with workers working 40 hours a week and then going to the food pantry to try to get just something to eat. You know, I mean it's
58:5058 minutes, 50 secondsand that again that's documented at least in in newspapers uh following the the months of the raid.
58:5558 minutes, 55 secondsWell, Neville Properties and they were a division of agroprocessors as well as another man um Gabby Manahham was his
59:0359 minutes, 3 secondsname. I'm not certain if I'm pronouncing that correct. He was a Jewish man although he and he had come here as part of the Jewish community to send his
59:1059 minutes, 10 secondschildren to the but I don't think that he was ever employed by the plant and he owned a lot of property here. How much?
59:1759 minutes, 17 secondsOh, a lot. I I and I'm guessing but 20 30 40 properties. I talked to
59:2759 minutes, 27 secondspeople who were living in the homes owned by
59:3559 minutes, 35 secondsthe Jewish re real estate companies. One of which was also owned by the Ruboskin family. Neville Properties was owned by
59:4159 minutes, 41 secondsthe Ruboskans and Manakim Gabby, everybody called them, had a place called uh
59:5059 minutes, 50 secondsI don't recall off the top of my head, but those places, the top-of-the-line homes, their best places
59:5859 minutes, 58 secondswent to the Jewish employees, the rabbis and their families, and the slums and the fall aart houses and
1:00:051 hour, 5 secondsthe shacks went to everybody else. But certainly uh you know that that was one of the issues we dealt with prior even
1:00:131 hour, 13 secondsto the rate you know people paying large amounts of money for very inadequate housing and again not unique to that community. It's unfortunately the
1:00:211 hour, 21 secondshistory of towns and communities that have become dependent on a single employer that kind of controls everything. So yeah I don't know that agree processors as an official
1:00:301 hour, 30 secondscompanyowned housing but I do know that people who work there and we're quite connected would own most of the housing and the rental housing in the community.
1:00:381 hour, 38 secondsI know that one set of apartments which is a group of four buildings um was
1:00:441 hour, 44 secondsowned somehow or another by the Robashkkins or a group that Robashkin was in with and I don't
1:00:521 hour, 52 secondsunderstand that whole organization but he had the majority at one point as far as apartment dwellings are concerned he
1:01:001 hour, 1 minutehad the majority of the the apartments in town and yes very limited landlords and and and I pretty much they pretty
1:01:101 hour, 1 minute, 10 secondswell named their price I think on on what rents would be in the community.
1:01:161 hour, 1 minute, 16 secondsThe other contact that I had with the Jewish community would have been with some of the landlords that would come at the time when our people were not able
1:01:241 hour, 1 minute, 24 secondsto pay their rent. And because of the generous donations of other people, 49 of our 50 states we received donations
1:01:321 hour, 1 minute, 32 secondsfrom. And because of that generosity, we were able to assist people pay a portion maybe of their rent for a given month.
1:01:411 hour, 1 minute, 41 secondsAnd sometimes the the Jewish landlords would wonder when they were going to get paid and things like that. I had some contact then with a couple that owned some properties.
1:01:511 hour, 1 minute, 51 secondsEach one of those guys, each one of those companies wanted the most rental units so they could get the most money out of what they were doing.
1:02:001 hour, 2 minutesAnd they bought houses that were already in need of work that ended up being in need of more work
1:02:081 hour, 2 minutes, 8 secondsthan you could ever imagine. And these are competing competing Kabad guys. Yeah.
1:02:141 hour, 2 minutes, 14 secondsSo how much influence did they have in the real estate in the town then at the peak? At the peak. Yeah. Any idea?
1:02:211 hour, 2 minutes, 21 secondsI think at one point they owned 130 out of 276 homes in that town.
1:02:281 hour, 2 minutes, 28 secondsSo that's almost 50%. But they owned other property. Cabay went outside of Postville and bought properties all over in local towns.
1:02:351 hour, 2 minutes, 35 secondsYeah. Yep.
1:02:381 hour, 2 minutes, 38 secondsOh, they had a great deal going with the banks. The banks would give them whatever they wanted. That mortgage money was coming in. Everybody was happy as a clam.
1:02:461 hour, 2 minutes, 46 secondsAnd that sometimes the rent that they charge was ridiculous. I can give you one specific example of something that I came across just in the days following
1:02:541 hour, 2 minutes, 54 secondsthe raid. So I um got a call at we got a call at the church from the one of these two women who finally after a few days
1:03:021 hour, 3 minutes, 2 secondsfelt courage enough to sort of figure out is it safe for me to even go out you know and so she called uh I went over to
1:03:091 hour, 3 minutes, 9 secondstheir home. Uh they lived uh above one of the rental offices in this one building. Their apartment was
1:03:171 hour, 3 minutes, 17 secondssignificantly substandard. I mean you know that just quite a bit of smell to it. The whole building had just not very little maintenance had been done to it.
1:03:251 hour, 3 minutes, 25 secondsThey handed me a stack of bills that had been things that had been piling up that hadn't been attended to, not only in the days after the raid, but even, you know,
1:03:321 hour, 3 minutes, 32 secondsthey were a little trying to figure out just trying to make sure that all the paperwork was done properly. You know, they're quite conscious about we paid all of our bills or whatever. Well, I
1:03:401 hour, 3 minutes, 40 secondsstarted looking through their bills and first the amount they were paying for this dinky tiny apartment was $800 a month, you know, and this is a small
1:03:481 hour, 3 minutes, 48 secondsapartment and it's it's a humongous amount of money. And then I started looking at their bills because they were cut they were they were getting threatening notes that they were going
1:03:551 hour, 3 minutes, 55 secondsto cut their their uh electricity. Well, what h happened as we did the research into it is that they were paying for the
1:04:041 hour, 4 minutes, 4 secondselectric bills not just for their little tiny apartment but for the entire building complex. The way that this was supposed to be done is that there was
1:04:111 hour, 4 minutes, 11 secondsone meter and so the meter was at was a comm commercial meter. When I called to trade to figure out where they were at, had they been paying, what they did is
1:04:201 hour, 4 minutes, 20 secondsthey would pay with the rent, they would also pay the owner, you know, the rental company for the bills and then the
1:04:271 hour, 4 minutes, 27 secondsrental company supposedly would get the commercial billing and split it by apartment and then pay it all off. Well,
1:04:351 hour, 4 minutes, 35 secondsevidently this the the the company was charging them not only for their electricity to their apartment but through the entire building including
1:04:431 hour, 4 minutes, 43 secondstheir rental office. And not only was he charging them for it, but he wasn't paying them. He wasn't paying it on. He
1:04:501 hour, 4 minutes, 50 secondswas keeping the money. And so what was happening is now that the entire building electricity hadn't been paid for months. And so what they were
1:04:581 hour, 4 minutes, 58 secondsreceiving was this threatening letters about that they had to pay rent. So the abuses around housing were just
1:05:061 hour, 5 minutes, 6 secondsastonishing. Not only in just the basic contracts, of course, most people could say, "Well, they paid for it." We dealt in the days after the raid with the fact
1:05:141 hour, 5 minutes, 14 secondsthat the owners of the apartments were moving into the apartments prior to the close of any contracts with the employees. You know, there were people,
1:05:231 hour, 5 minutes, 23 secondsof course, lots of people had been detained and left. And so the the people who were renting supposedly had to figure out which apartments were still
1:05:301 hour, 5 minutes, 30 secondsoccupied and which ones weren't. But in that process, they were trying to evict basically people who were paid through
1:05:371 hour, 5 minutes, 37 secondsthe end of the month. We have learned what we're up against. Could you discuss that? What are you up against?
1:05:451 hour, 5 minutes, 45 secondsWe know that uh they have a very strong financial base
1:05:531 hour, 5 minutes, 53 secondsand that they're very conservative group. And like most conservatives,
1:06:001 hour, 6 minutesthat means you have a restricted vision which is according to your interpretation of the scriptures
1:06:091 hour, 6 minutes, 9 secondsand that uh financially you use other people and consider that a wise thing to do.
1:06:201 hour, 6 minutes, 20 secondsMake money from ways of dealing with people that other people would not do.
1:06:261 hour, 6 minutes, 26 secondsThey promised them cash when they get here to get started. They promised them food for a week to get started. They
1:06:341 hour, 6 minutes, 34 secondspromised them the world to get them here. They came and they didn't get any of it. They were mad. And they started spending a lot of time in the bars and raising hell and and causing problems.
1:06:451 hour, 6 minutes, 45 secondsAnd it just went on and on all summer. And then some brilliant strategist hit on the idea of recruiting people from the
1:06:521 hour, 6 minutes, 52 secondsisland of Palao where they'd never heard of Postville or Agra processors or seen snow or anything. And these people are all subsistence farmers and fishermans
1:07:011 hour, 7 minutes, 1 secondfishermen and they come to Iowa to go to work at Agra and two weeks later the plant shuts down and so we got 250 people from Palao with nowhere to go.
1:07:111 hour, 7 minutes, 11 secondsNow, they flew him here at the company's expense, but what the company did was they got together with all of their friends they could find in the Kabad
1:07:191 hour, 7 minutes, 19 secondscommunity and and pulled together all the frequent flyer miles they could. Got them free tickets over,
1:07:261 hour, 7 minutes, 26 secondsno tickets home. Uh we asked that uh Mr. Raashkin
1:07:331 hour, 7 minutes, 33 secondsgive us some aid because in the beginning this is a small little parish and we
1:07:411 hour, 7 minutes, 41 secondswere taking care of hundreds of people feeding them housing them we couldn't do this. We asked him for some help. He
1:07:501 hour, 7 minutes, 50 secondsnever gave a single penny. Whereas other groups uh and churches the area churches were just
1:07:591 hour, 7 minutes, 59 secondsChristian beyond belief. Well, they said we're giving we're going apartment to apartment to give them meat.
1:08:091 hour, 8 minutes, 9 secondsThe taking out of our freezer at the plant were giving this meat. It never worked because the ladies who run the uh
1:08:181 hour, 8 minutes, 18 secondsfood pantry here told us most of that meat was spoiled.
1:08:231 hour, 8 minutes, 23 secondsuh they because they dropped some off at the uh food pantry and they said the minute you open the carton you could smell it. We threw it all away.
1:08:321 hour, 8 minutes, 32 secondsDid the synagogue across the street help provide anything?
1:08:361 hour, 8 minutes, 36 secondsUm not that I'm aware of, but it's been it's been kind of the um the understanding in in town that uh at the
1:08:451 hour, 8 minutes, 45 secondssynagogue they take care of their own and they say, "Well, you can take care of your own." So, uh, they they definitely, I'm sure, provided help for
1:08:541 hour, 8 minutes, 54 secondsthe Jewish families who were affected, uh, by the bankruptcy, the raid itself.
1:09:001 hour, 9 minutesThere I think there was at least one or two, um, who were Israelis and, uh, if their families needed support, I'm sure they received it.
1:09:081 hour, 9 minutes, 8 secondsWere they illegal, those Israelis there? Yeah, there were there were, I think it's it was one or two Israelis who were caught up in the raid as well.
1:09:161 hour, 9 minutes, 16 secondsThey believe they are God's chosen people and they should reign over all the earth. They believe that. They live that. They eat it. They breathe it. They
1:09:241 hour, 9 minutes, 24 secondssleep it. That's what they are. I finally understood after many conversations with Morai and many conversations with Getel and and
1:09:321 hour, 9 minutes, 32 secondswatching what was going on in town that it was their very ignorance of prejudice and ignorance of
1:09:401 hour, 9 minutes, 40 secondsabuse and ignorance of all the things that they were doing that allowed them to continue to do it because they didn't
1:09:481 hour, 9 minutes, 48 secondsrecognize it. And I truly think it was pathological. They did not recognize it.
1:09:551 hour, 9 minutes, 55 secondsAnd every time they did something good, they would do it for the the Jewish community, especially the Kabad community
1:10:031 hour, 10 minutes, 3 secondsand they would just they would swell with pride. But how was it what's the difference between them and and the Kukas clan? I mean, say they they have the similar similar
1:10:121 hour, 10 minutes, 12 secondsideas. They have their idea. They're they're special.
1:10:141 hour, 10 minutes, 14 secondsI mean, I that's the only thing in all discussion that that thrills me a little bit.
1:10:181 hour, 10 minutes, 18 secondsTruthfully, there is no difference. I see no difference. I mean, it's the same thing again with the KKK. It's the same thing. That's what these people are brought up on. They're brought up on
1:10:261 hour, 10 minutes, 26 secondshate and derision and prejudice. And I learned that you could not talk to a hetic high school student.
1:10:361 hour, 10 minutes, 36 secondsThey looked upon you as one of the lowest forms of creature on earth. There was a period uh of time in Postville
1:10:461 hour, 10 minutes, 46 secondswhere the community was being uh flooded with anti-semitic and neo-Nazi white supremacist literature and uh it was
1:10:541 hour, 10 minutes, 54 secondsvery disturbing stuff. I still have a lot of it actually. It's I you know I keep it locked away but um very disturbing stuff. Everyone in town was
1:11:021 hour, 11 minutes, 2 secondsvery upset. So what happened is that a member of the city council asked me to draft for them a response and I didn't and they ended up uh uh passing a formal
1:11:111 hour, 11 minutes, 11 secondsresolution against hate and against bias and then the next step in all that was to actually uh create a joint statement
1:11:191 hour, 11 minutes, 19 secondsagainst bias and against hate. I'm I'm suggesting they have a pathological deficiency. Um it's way more than a blind spot.
1:11:271 hour, 11 minutes, 27 secondsBlind spots are something we create to to soo our own consciences.
1:11:341 hour, 11 minutes, 34 secondsI think as as a faith, as a as a denomination, as a as a cult, whatever you want to call
1:11:431 hour, 11 minutes, 43 secondskabad, I think they actually have a pathological deficiency because they cannot recognize wrongdoing because
1:11:501 hour, 11 minutes, 50 secondsthey've never quantified it. So they don't have to suffer the fact that they might have some guilt. Wrongdoing to non-Jews.
1:11:581 hour, 11 minutes, 58 secondsTo non-Jews. Yeah. Well, they recognize wrongdoing to Jews. Yeah. Believe me.
1:12:021 hour, 12 minutes, 2 secondsBut those people who performed the actual work, the the nameless people who were doing the the the
1:12:101 hour, 12 minutes, 10 secondshardcore nuts and bolts work at that plant. Were nothing but slaves to them.
1:12:181 hour, 12 minutes, 18 secondsUm, one interesting tale I like to recount occasionally, I was walking back to the station one
1:12:271 hour, 12 minutes, 27 secondsafternoon. I had actually I'd gone to the Jewish market to pick up a corn beef and rye and some bagels and I was coming back. There's a little
1:12:351 hour, 12 minutes, 35 secondscommunity park on the corner on the way back to the station. So, as I was walking back, I found a couple of empty soda bottles and some paper on the
1:12:441 hour, 12 minutes, 44 secondssidewalk, and I picked them up and tossed them in the garbage can. And a little Jewish boy came by and said, "My daddy says that's what the should do
1:12:521 hour, 12 minutes, 52 secondsall the time. They work for us." So, that that one of my personal experiences.
1:13:031 hour, 13 minutes, 3 secondsWhat did you say?
1:13:041 hour, 13 minutes, 4 secondsI was flabbergasted. I I didn't even have a response. You know, usually I'm pretty quick and I'm a bit of a smartass, but I had nothing for him. I
1:13:121 hour, 13 minutes, 12 secondsmean, he couldn't have been more than 9 or 10 years old. They requested permission from the local high school to hold some of their uh classes. I think
1:13:221 hour, 13 minutes, 22 secondsmostly uh physical education classes in the high school. And I was told by the staff at the school that they never ever cleaned up.
1:13:321 hour, 13 minutes, 32 secondsThey ate candy when there was for the rest of the school there was no eating candy. They threw the wrappers on the
1:13:401 hour, 13 minutes, 40 secondsfloor and they walked out of school and never cleaned them up. It was like we don't have to do that.
1:13:481 hour, 13 minutes, 48 secondsWell, yes, you should. Just human courtesy says you should. They didn't show it.
1:13:541 hour, 13 minutes, 54 secondsWhat What does go mean? Go.
1:13:571 hour, 13 minutes, 57 secondsYou know what it means. You lived in Israel for three years.
1:14:001 hour, 14 minutesYeah, I do. I like No. What do you think it means?
1:14:031 hour, 14 minutes, 3 secondsWell, I [laughter] didn't serve my my movie to have me tell.
1:14:061 hour, 14 minutes, 6 secondsThat's You're right. Right. That's right. What do you think it means?
1:14:091 hour, 14 minutes, 9 secondsWell, uh, is a term that depending on who you ask can have it can be playful. Uh, depending on who you ask can be rather derogatory.
1:14:191 hour, 14 minutes, 19 secondsIt could be it could be uh depending on who you ask. I mean uh I've actually uh had these conversations with uh people
1:14:271 hour, 14 minutes, 27 secondswho just think it very use in a very playful way. Here comes the again.
1:14:321 hour, 14 minutes, 32 secondsYou know, they just they're messing with me and I'm messing with them. There have been times when people have been uncomfortable to discuss it with me. And I've also know of instances in which
1:14:401 hour, 14 minutes, 40 secondsit's been used regular uh rather derogatorily.
1:14:451 hour, 14 minutes, 45 secondsI've also been called a white guy. In those same vein, I have never heard
1:14:511 hour, 14 minutes, 51 seconds mentioned in a positive fashion except in connection with the Holocaust.
1:15:011 hour, 15 minutes, 1 secondWhen you have a righteous is like shika,
1:15:081 hour, 15 minutes, 8 secondsit's instantaneously negative cuz he didn't like the guy.
1:15:141 hour, 15 minutes, 14 secondsMy father used to spit every time he saw a nun. My father would walk a block and a half out of his way so he wouldn't have to walk in front of a church.
1:15:241 hour, 15 minutes, 24 secondsUltra Orthodoxy tends to turn everything into a cartoon.
1:15:281 hour, 15 minutes, 28 secondsSo for them, if if this could be if this is idol worship, then you have to reject it. Well, you have to reject you have to spit on it, right? So there's that kind
1:15:381 hour, 15 minutes, 38 secondsof an attitude within the Yiddish language. And I'm not a linguist and I don't know other languages except Yiddish. And I only this much Yiddish.
1:15:491 hour, 15 minutes, 49 secondsThe language is so
1:15:571 hour, 15 minutes, 57 secondsspecific in its dismissal of non-Jews.
1:16:041 hour, 16 minutes, 4 secondsYou cannot avoid it. Like in a in English, you could say someone is a Christian or a non-Christian and it
1:16:121 hour, 16 minutes, 12 secondsdoesn't have any emotional meaning.
1:16:171 hour, 16 minutes, 17 secondsin Yiddish to be a Jew [clears throat] or non-Jew has tremendous emotional meaning. Uh we
1:16:271 hour, 16 minutes, 27 secondsalready spoke we already spoke about the fact that some people speak only Yiddish and Hebrew. So how do you think that bodess for social mingling when they
1:16:351 hour, 16 minutes, 35 secondscan't speak English? Secondly, their hours are very long. Thirdly, Orthodox Jew prays three times a day in a synagogue.
1:16:441 hour, 16 minutes, 44 secondsThere's a there's a Spanish term wo which strictly means white or blonde and
1:16:511 hour, 16 minutes, 51 secondsit's a term that is often used and again it can be very playful. It can be used very derogatorily and everything in between. I'm often called that in
1:17:001 hour, 17 minutesMexican by Mexicans. There are a lot of terms like that. I don't uh that's not the sort of thing that I can
1:17:071 hour, 17 minutes, 7 secondslet bother me. I mean I have to you know what I have I have excuse me in a typical week in my life I'm going to work with people from 10 to 15 different
1:17:161 hour, 17 minutes, 16 secondscultures who speak and I can't speak all these languages can speak 30 40 different languages I have to be able to
1:17:231 hour, 17 minutes, 23 secondsto navigate to chart a course through those among those cultures where um if they have any particular biases or they
1:17:321 hour, 17 minutes, 32 secondswant to make fun of me behind my back I' I've already moved on the way the the post fahidum the way the
1:17:411 hour, 17 minutes, 41 secondslubetries operate is if you disagree with us you're an anti-semite pure and simple
1:17:501 hour, 17 minutes, 50 secondswhat's the discuss people call me an anti-semite all the time they call me a Nazi all the time there's a guy that's been leaving comments lately comparing
1:17:561 hour, 17 minutes, 56 secondsme to to uh to um capos who were the uh the head of the the um in in in the
1:18:071 hour, 18 minutes, 7 secondsconcentration camps and the death camps camps. There were Jews who cooperated with the Nazis in terms of running the camp and they were often cruel people.
1:18:141 hour, 18 minutes, 14 secondsThey may not have been in real life, but by the time they got into Ashwitz or whatever they whatever happened to them, it happened. And anyway, and they a lot of them did some very terrible things.
1:18:241 hour, 18 minutes, 24 secondsMost of them were ended up being killed like everybody else was. But so I've been called uh a capo who just like a
1:18:321 hour, 18 minutes, 32 secondscapo in in Ashwitz. how much I would have loved to, you know, throw fellow Jews into the ovens. Um, whatever you
1:18:401 hour, 18 minutes, 40 secondscan possibly imagine. And that's because they can't they can't combat they can't fight me on the arguments. They can't fight me on the facts.
1:18:491 hour, 18 minutes, 49 secondsYou say about this. You say years ago when when Jews parked their cars illegally, the Postville police were reluctant to give out tickets because
1:18:571 hour, 18 minutes, 57 secondsthey might be accused of anti-Jewish bias. Oh, well that's that's common knowledge.
1:19:021 hour, 19 minutes, 2 secondsI mean, part of it, too, is that you got to remember that a lot of the folks didn't quite know what parking legally was versus not parking legally. Got to
1:19:101 hour, 19 minutes, 10 secondsremember, too, a lot of the the initial uh the initial influx of Jews, those were folks who came from cities where they actually many of them didn't even
1:19:171 hour, 19 minutes, 17 secondshave cars. They didn't need them. I was accused of being anti-Semitic so many times that it just rolled off my back
1:19:241 hour, 19 minutes, 24 secondslike water off a duck's back. It it came to the point where it meant nothing because it was nothing. um his defense,
1:19:321 hour, 19 minutes, 32 secondsShalom's defense, the lawyers have cried anti-semitism so many times that
1:19:391 hour, 19 minutes, 39 secondsit's almost pointless now. Um it got to the point in Postville where if you just even mentioned the word Jew or Kabad, you were accused of being anti-Semitic.
1:19:511 hour, 19 minutes, 51 secondsThis happened over and over again with with the Lubaturers.
1:19:571 hour, 19 minutes, 57 secondsIf you are accurate, if you are truthful, if you report what is there,
1:20:061 hour, 20 minutes, 6 secondsyou're labeled an anti-semite. This is textbook. This is exactly what Raashkin has said over and over again. Whether
1:20:141 hour, 20 minutes, 14 secondsthe accuser is the EPA, whe whether the accuser is a judge, whether the accuser
1:20:201 hour, 20 minutes, 20 secondsis a a businessman who wants to get what is owed him, if you say anything against
1:20:291 hour, 20 minutes, 29 secondsthe Lubovich, the number one textbook response immediately is you are an anti-semite.
1:20:391 hour, 20 minutes, 39 secondsThis is textbook. This happens over and over again.
1:20:471 hour, 20 minutes, 47 secondsYou The argument is immediately reduced to you're an anti-semite.
1:20:531 hour, 20 minutes, 53 secondsNo, no, no. I'm I'm a Jew. I am not an anti-semite. Trust me, I am not an anti-semite. I'm trying to get at the
1:21:001 hour, 21 minutestruth here. No, you wouldn't raise that unless you're an anti-semite.
1:21:211 hour, 21 minutes, 21 secondsLord Jesus.
1:21:421 hour, 21 minutes, 42 seconds[cheering]
1:21:491 hour, 21 minutes, 49 secondsGod
1:22:061 hour, 22 minutes, 6 secondswill be gone. the road.
1:22:331 hour, 22 minutes, 33 secondsI would say I speak for the Jewish community by default and uh and it's not official but people
1:22:411 hour, 22 minutes, 41 secondsgo to me and uh largely I've heard from the community they're supportive of the things that I say but there is no formal community there's there's no formal appointment. It's by default.
1:22:521 hour, 22 minutes, 52 secondsIt's very very interesting. Uh even though the book uh uh was about postville and focused heavily on the
1:22:591 hour, 22 minutes, 59 secondsJewish related issues in postville and what happened with the plant and the response and so forth and even though it was co-authored with a Jew uh we were
1:23:091 hour, 23 minutes, 9 secondsaccepted into the Jewish Jewish book council. Okay. the Jewish Book Council puts together an annual uh author's tour
1:23:181 hour, 23 minutes, 18 secondsand we were invited to become part of that. We did become part of that and interestingly uh so we Michelle and I actually went to New York and and
1:23:261 hour, 23 minutes, 26 secondspresented ourselves and talked about the book and and said yes we'd love to you know you're you'd like to invite us to one of your book fairs or something that'd be fine. But interestingly uh the
1:23:351 hour, 23 minutes, 35 secondsvast majority of the people who actually are involved in the organization are not orthodox and so they tend to be very secular or
1:23:421 hour, 23 minutes, 42 secondsthey tend to be conservative and uh once many of them frankly realized that Aaron uh was a co-author uh they lost interest and we did not receive one invitation.
1:23:531 hour, 23 minutes, 53 secondsWhy?
1:23:531 hour, 23 minutes, 53 secondsBecause the secular uh Jews and the organization had no real interest in hearing about the Orthodox experience or that experience from an Orthodox
1:24:021 hour, 24 minutes, 2 secondsperspective. Interestingly, I think that the mainstream Jewish publications out there, and there are quite a few,
1:24:101 hour, 24 minutes, 10 secondsboycotted the book. They didn't want to have anything to do with the book. They didn't review the book. They didn't publicize the book. They had nothing to
1:24:191 hour, 24 minutes, 19 secondsdo with the book. That's exactly where the Lubich family was with mainstream Judaism in
1:24:271 hour, 24 minutes, 27 secondsAmerica. You didn't want to condemn them because they after all are Jews. They are part of the family.
1:24:351 hour, 24 minutes, 35 secondsWith the the conservative Jews, Kabad is is appreciated.
1:24:431 hour, 24 minutes, 43 secondsWith the middle of the road Jews, Kabad is tolerated. With the liberal Jews, they're despised.
1:24:521 hour, 24 minutes, 52 secondsuh some of the biggest uh ethnic challenges that came about and conflict really that came about after
1:24:591 hour, 24 minutes, 59 secondsthe raid was not between Christians and Jews or Ians and nonowins and and other
1:25:061 hour, 25 minutes, 6 secondsgroups. It was actually Jewish groups against other Jewish groups. And after
1:25:121 hour, 25 minutes, 12 secondsthe raid, you saw an immense level of uh you know, people coming in and out of the community, arguments, uh newspaper
1:25:211 hour, 25 minutes, 21 secondseditorials, uh lectures, presentations, and things going on by and between and against
1:25:301 hour, 25 minutes, 30 secondsuh Jews that were more secular, more reformed in their belief versus Jews that were, you know, ultraorththodox,
1:25:381 hour, 25 minutes, 38 secondssome of them, you know, Haredee and and hidic members and Habad members rather.
1:25:441 hour, 25 minutes, 44 secondsAnd so you had a large amount of uh conflict and really questioning among
1:25:511 hour, 25 minutes, 51 secondsJews of many different levels of you know religious faith about what do we do now in this kind of situation?
1:25:591 hour, 25 minutes, 59 secondsWhat's the appropriate action? What was going on in the plant? Is that ethical?
1:26:031 hour, 26 minutes, 3 secondsIs that appropriate? And I think I I those kinds of questions I really want to defer to Aaron. And I I was shocked
1:26:101 hour, 26 minutes, 10 secondslater in my life when I saw that there was a a view by many people to look with disdain at each other.
1:26:201 hour, 26 minutes, 20 secondsAnd it's it's part of the schizophrenic quality of Jews that a lovehate
1:26:271 hour, 26 minutes, 27 secondsrelationship with each other. And there's a long history of competition with Zionism in general and even
1:26:361 hour, 26 minutes, 36 secondsreligious Zionism uh for um making the claims that they represented a a new
1:26:441 hour, 26 minutes, 44 secondsform of Judaism that there was uh messianic significance in the activities of the Jewish state and of the Israeli army.
1:26:541 hour, 26 minutes, 54 secondsum they uh they don't go they don't agree with the idea of pluralism in the Jewish world. They believe
1:27:031 hour, 27 minutes, 3 seconds[clears throat] there's only one kind of Judaism that is uh authentic and appropriate. That is their version of Judaism.
1:27:101 hour, 27 minutes, 10 secondsHe talked that the Jews are civily disobedient. They don't want to follow the law. They don't care about the laws. They don't care about the Gentiles.
1:27:191 hour, 27 minutes, 19 secondsThese are just, you know, David Duke could have written the script himself.
1:27:221 hour, 27 minutes, 22 secondsThe difference is because he wrote it and he's a Jew, the publisher was accepting to let him do it. If David Duke had written and said the same things he said, they would have thrown
1:27:301 hour, 27 minutes, 30 secondsthe book in the garbage and they never would have printed it. How many people do you know who've used sold themselves to make a name for themselves? That's
1:27:371 hour, 27 minutes, 37 secondswhat Mr. Bloom did. He didn't dishonor me. He dishonored himself and the Jewish community and the Jewish community. What happens
1:27:451 hour, 27 minutes, 45 secondsmost commonly in small communities when you have this level of ethnic diversity very quickly coming in
1:27:521 hour, 27 minutes, 52 secondsis that you have in these towns what we called in the book champions of diversity. They're local people as well as immigrants that are heavily involved
1:28:011 hour, 28 minutes, 1 secondin immigration issues. They love they love the issues of multiculturalism and and tolerance and immigration. They want to make it work and they really become
1:28:101 hour, 28 minutes, 10 secondsdeacto champions of diversity. The signs on the outside of town says Postville, hometown of the world. Well, you know what that is? That's like frosting on a
1:28:181 hour, 28 minutes, 18 secondscake. It's sweet and it's pretty, but it really doesn't add that much. And nobody ever really meant it, but that's what
1:28:261 hour, 28 minutes, 26 secondsthey wanted. That's the view they wanted to project. Basically, within that town, the whites would interact with
1:28:341 hour, 28 minutes, 34 secondsthe Jewish community or the Latino community, but never both.
1:28:401 hour, 28 minutes, 40 secondsAnd they would only do it when it would serve their own purpose. The Jewish community would interact with the white
1:28:501 hour, 28 minutes, 50 secondscommunity, but never the Hispanic community. The Hispanic community would interact with
1:28:581 hour, 28 minutes, 58 secondsthe white community when they needed to or had to. Never with the Jewish community.
1:29:051 hour, 29 minutes, 5 secondsSo you had all these factions working all together.
1:29:101 hour, 29 minutes, 10 secondsSo to say it was a perfect storm I I think is not a bad way to describe it because when everything came together, everything coalesed, the plant closed
1:29:181 hour, 29 minutes, 18 secondsdown, the the people who were being brought in, lost their jobs and threatened the
1:29:241 hour, 29 minutes, 24 secondssecurity of the town. People were were reaching out and grabbing straws for for blaming whoever they whoever they could.
1:29:331 hour, 29 minutes, 33 secondsSo, some of them blame the Latinos, some blame the Jews, some blame the government. Sounds like a recipe for hell.
1:29:441 hour, 29 minutes, 44 secondsIt's not a bad way to describe it. Multiculturalism doesn't come that easy.
1:29:491 hour, 29 minutes, 49 secondsUm, you know, these were mostly Lutheran people who were proud who had lived in that community or their, you know, their
1:29:571 hour, 29 minutes, 57 secondsrelatives who lived, their ancestors lived in that community for a long time.
1:30:011 hour, 30 minutes, 1 secondThey weren't going to take easy to a a group of people who would come in um shelter themselves,
1:30:101 hour, 30 minutes, 10 secondsisolate themselves, and call themselves power brokers. Immediately, I knew that there was going to be a civil war, but
1:30:171 hour, 30 minutes, 17 secondsthe press really didn't want to look at that. You know, it was a negative story.
1:30:231 hour, 30 minutes, 23 secondsYou know, the press in America, much of the press in America doesn't like those kinds of stories. They like feel-good
1:30:311 hour, 30 minutes, 31 secondsstories. and postfill what I wrote isn't a feel-good story. It's a truthful, it's an accurate story, but certainly not a feel-good story.
1:30:391 hour, 30 minutes, 39 secondsI do intercultural relationships as a professional. I have for almost 25 years now. I uh my job is in part to
1:30:481 hour, 30 minutes, 48 secondsunderstand the dynamics of those of the changing human communities. I I don't again I don't think it's fair to ever uh
1:30:571 hour, 30 minutes, 57 secondsuh point fingers at any particular group because there's plenty of bias to go around among everybody. Uh that's going to manifest itself in various ways. It's
1:31:051 hour, 31 minutes, 5 secondsgoing to u express itself in a variety of different ways. But again, I'm not I really don't want to set up this kind of artificial juxaposition between the
1:31:141 hour, 31 minutes, 14 secondsJewish and the non-Jewish community because I don't think it's valid. Well, I mean, one thing that we really try to avoid is try to set up this what I
1:31:221 hour, 31 minutes, 22 secondsconsider to be a relatively artificial juxaposition between uh the established resident postvillians and and Kabad um
1:31:301 hour, 31 minutes, 30 secondsand really try to point out the fact that within both of those communities which have often been portrayed as actually being very distinct and they
1:31:381 hour, 31 minutes, 38 secondsare distinct in many respects. I I get that. But I think what's been exaggerated is is is the point that um
1:31:481 hour, 31 minutes, 48 secondswhat what I think gets exaggerated is I think that juxtaposition is is is made too sharp. Um what we have tried to
1:31:551 hour, 31 minutes, 55 secondspoint out in the book is that you always have diversity within diversity. So I think I think it's always been a bit artificial to set up you know these these these sharply contrasting worlds.
1:32:061 hour, 32 minutes, 6 secondsUh I understand I certainly understand and respect the fact that um the Orthodox Jewish community again very broadly defined it has its own certain
1:32:141 hour, 32 minutes, 14 secondsdiversity and the established resident community were sometimes at odds but I don't I think the degree to which that has happened has uh has been
1:32:231 hour, 32 minutes, 23 secondsexaggerated. So, in the United States, which is not a Jewish state, they're all in favor of pluralism because it allows
1:32:301 hour, 32 minutes, 30 secondsthem to express their way of being and emphasize that uh and and have equal
1:32:381 hour, 32 minutes, 38 secondsaccess to all of the benefits of uh American state and society. But in a Jewish state, by no means are they
1:32:471 hour, 32 minutes, 47 secondswilling to allow and give legitimacy to alternative versions of how Jewish life should be expressed, whether it's
1:32:541 hour, 32 minutes, 54 secondsthrough secular Zionism or other forms of Jewish religion. So when it comes to a Jewish state or a Jewish society,
1:33:021 hour, 33 minutes, 2 secondsthey're not pluralist. Um, and that of course has made them an efra
1:33:101 hour, 33 minutes, 10 secondsamong other things. If we're talking about someone even more extreme than Schneersonen, for example, Yeetsk
1:33:171 hour, 33 minutes, 17 secondsGinsburgg, who is a Kabad rabbi, who does live in Israel, he's an American. He came from Cleveland. He lives there.
1:33:241 hour, 33 minutes, 24 secondsHe's one of those rabbis who still supports uh uh the killing of those 29 Muslims in
1:33:331 hour, 33 minutes, 33 secondsthe mid 1990s uh by an Orthodox Jewish doctor from the States who went into a um uh into a
1:33:411 hour, 33 minutes, 41 secondsmosque uh that was in a place that the religious Jews consider religious
1:33:481 hour, 33 minutes, 48 secondsand killed those people. Um uh uh this rabbi Yec Scott Ginsburg, well uh he's
1:33:561 hour, 33 minutes, 56 secondsreally an extremist. Um and he believes that um uh uh it's perfectly legitimate
1:34:061 hour, 34 minutes, 6 secondsfor Jews to kill non-Jews if the Jew really has some good reason to believe
1:34:131 hour, 34 minutes, 13 secondsthat that non-Jew might might in the future try to kill Jews.
1:34:221 hour, 34 minutes, 22 secondsAnd he goes even further than Schneersonen in talking about the superiority of Jews
1:34:301 hour, 34 minutes, 30 secondsas opposed to non-Jews. Later when I went into college, I heard about the Labava Trevy and I heard lots of different things. But the most
1:34:391 hour, 34 minutes, 39 secondsimpressive thing that I heard is the guy never took a vacation. He's first and foremost every person he had contact to he asked, "How can you make the world a better place? What can you do for your
1:34:471 hour, 34 minutes, 47 secondsfellow brethren? What can you is there more work can be done?" He was never satisfied. Enough is enough. He always encouraged and a ponzo way for people to
1:34:541 hour, 34 minutes, 54 secondsgo higher and higher. I realized that there was somebody in the world who lived, ate and breath, breathed the concept, I'm going to do everything I
1:35:021 hour, 35 minutes, 2 secondscan for the benefit of my people. And it was extraordinary. I thought, well, we have bigger heroes than Sandy Kofax.
1:35:101 hour, 35 minutes, 10 secondsAnd and I was impressed by the fact that somebody gave his whole life for the welfare of his brothers.
1:35:161 hour, 35 minutes, 16 secondsWhen I when I go to a synagogue, I work Keepa. That's out of respect. When I used to march community people through
1:35:231 hour, 35 minutes, 23 secondsagrop processors, the men wear keepas period. You will show this respect. This is a Jewish installation. Uh it's run by
1:35:301 hour, 35 minutes, 30 secondsOrthodox Jews. You will wear Keipa. You will you will show that respect. Uh there's a new mosque in town. Uh there
1:35:371 hour, 35 minutes, 37 secondswas an open house uh I don't know two weeks ago or something. Uh and the invitation very clearly said women in who enter their worship area will be
1:35:461 hour, 35 minutes, 46 secondsasked to wear a headscarf. I don't have a problem with that. They don't have to wear hijab. I mean, it's just again, it's it's just out of politeness. It's out of respect. I don't have a problem with that.
1:35:561 hour, 35 minutes, 56 secondsHave you ever invited Kabad members or leaders to come to the church?
1:36:001 hour, 36 minutesWe have. We've had uh and generally for them, it's a difficult thing to come into a Christian setting. We've had a
1:36:071 hour, 36 minutes, 7 secondsfew um Jewish rabbis come into our building and meet in our fireside room that has no no uh religious iconography
1:36:161 hour, 36 minutes, 16 secondsat all or religious symbols. They're coming onto the church property, which for some they wouldn't do.
1:36:231 hour, 36 minutes, 23 secondsHow do they communicate to you that they don't want religious symbols?
1:36:281 hour, 36 minutes, 28 secondsUsually it's it's been uh can we meet at such and such a place? Well, you know, we we I'm not allowed to go into a a
1:36:351 hour, 36 minutes, 35 secondssanctuary. Um, so they'll just ask questions. Are there any religious symbols there? Or from from my perspective, I would offer that. I would say we could meet in our fireside room.
1:36:461 hour, 36 minutes, 46 secondsWorship services do not happen there and there are no uh religious items in that particular room. M uh and again that
1:36:541 hour, 36 minutes, 54 secondswould be part of being a good host too trying to now if you don't know that um you know the thing to do is to not act
1:37:031 hour, 37 minutes, 3 secondsinsulted if they say I can't meet in this room what it's not good enough for you is that is that going to be the response or is it going to be what can we do to
1:37:121 hour, 37 minutes, 12 secondschange it is there something we can move or can we meet at a at a neutral site have you been invited into their synagogue
1:37:201 hour, 37 minutes, 20 secondsI haven't but I I can't really think of a reason why I would be or would have to be neighborly, right?
1:37:261 hour, 37 minutes, 26 secondsUh well, but I've met Rabbi Reces. I've I've met several members of the Jewish community in in other places.
1:37:361 hour, 37 minutes, 36 secondsUltra Orthodox Jews believe that when a Jew is
1:37:431 hour, 37 minutes, 43 secondsin prison, it is mandated by the Bible as well as by the Talmud. That it is an obligation
1:37:531 hour, 37 minutes, 53 secondsof one Jew to always raise bail to release that person from incarceration or confinement.
1:38:041 hour, 38 minutes, 4 secondsThat's what's going on with Raashkin, that ultraorththodox Jews are leaning on
1:38:131 hour, 38 minutes, 13 secondsother Luper Jews to raise funds for attorneys
1:38:211 hour, 38 minutes, 21 secondsuh for bond so that Rabboskin can be released. You know, you have no idea
1:38:281 hour, 38 minutes, 28 secondswhat what the Lubovich community has done in terms of trying to raise money
1:38:351 hour, 38 minutes, 35 secondsfor for Rabashkin's defense and trying to raise consciousness that anyone who opposes Rabashkin, of course, is an
1:38:431 hour, 38 minutes, 43 secondsanti-semite, is a Jew hater. Um, they've done a whole bunch of things.
1:38:491 hour, 38 minutes, 49 secondsOne thing they've done is they have well they've organized a very effective
1:38:561 hour, 38 minutes, 56 secondsinternet campaign. It almost looks like a you know an Apple versus
1:39:031 hour, 39 minutes, 3 secondsum uh Microsoft ad hooking guy who gets on the internet
1:39:111 hour, 39 minutes, 11 secondsand says uh you know we need your support. We need your dollars.
1:39:191 hour, 39 minutes, 19 secondsRubashkin is being railroaded. Send us your dollars. There was a a campaign
1:39:261 hour, 39 minutes, 26 secondsso that every Lubovature in the world would pray at exactly the same moment for the freedom of Raashkin.
1:39:381 hour, 39 minutes, 38 secondsRaashkin has taken on martyr status.
1:39:431 hour, 39 minutes, 43 secondsHe is an example of someone who has done nothing wrong.
1:39:501 hour, 39 minutes, 50 secondsHis accusers are all anti-semmites.
1:39:531 hour, 39 minutes, 53 secondsTextbook
1:40:041 hour, 40 minutes, 4 seconds[music]
1:40:161 hour, 40 minutes, 16 secondsbottom line.
1:40:171 hour, 40 minutes, 17 secondsI don't think I have to say it. Yeah, it's I mean that's you can buy anybody and if you're Kabad, you got money to throw away to buy people. They've been
1:40:241 hour, 40 minutes, 24 secondsdoing it for a long time. Ask Bob Penrod um or Arlland Spectre. Ask Arnold inspector
1:40:341 hour, 40 minutes, 34 secondsor Patty Judge, Lieutenant Governor of Iowa.
1:40:361 hour, 40 minutes, 36 secondsIn terms of the buying them off.
1:40:391 hour, 40 minutes, 39 secondsYeah. But not related to Kabad. You mean generally speaking?
1:40:421 hour, 40 minutes, 42 secondsNo. I think it was very much Habad related. It goes to Kabad and and the the the organization that that that
1:40:491 hour, 40 minutes, 49 secondssupplies the kosher certification process. There was so much financial
1:40:551 hour, 40 minutes, 55 secondsuh inroads in the banking system here that uh
1:41:031 hour, 41 minutes, 3 secondswe ask the president of the bank, how is it when we come over here with an
1:41:091 hour, 41 minutes, 9 secondsinnocent Hispanic lady who has a state treasury check for $183.
1:41:191 hour, 41 minutes, 19 secondsYou won't cash it even though she has a valid ID.
1:41:231 hour, 41 minutes, 23 secondsAnd in your office, you're sitting and talking with Shalom Rubashkin,
1:41:301 hour, 41 minutes, 30 secondsthe acidic man who has caused all this pain to the town. Which is better? The
1:41:381 hour, 41 minutes, 38 secondscheck from the plant or the check from the state? And the president of the bank said, "The one from the plant." And at
1:41:461 hour, 41 minutes, 46 secondsthat point, Paul left. He couldn't take it. I stayed a little longer because I wanted to see what he was going to say.
1:41:561 hour, 41 minutes, 56 secondsHe said just enough to let me know.
1:41:591 hour, 41 minutes, 59 secondsMoney talks and we're not in the same category as they are. They have a lot of
1:42:081 hour, 42 minutes, 8 secondsfunds that are not here in the city that were shipped out and put in different accounts. Habad has set up for itself a
1:42:161 hour, 42 minutes, 16 secondsvery very strong network of the right people in the right place to
1:42:251 hour, 42 minutes, 25 secondshelp show the support that they that they spread around the world. um kabad houses
1:42:331 hour, 42 minutes, 33 secondsin almost every major community in in every country of the world, Mumbai, India. Look at the Kabad's success worldwide.
1:42:401 hour, 42 minutes, 40 secondsThere's presidents almost every country that welcomed Kabad into their respective cabinets into their into the White House and other places that honor Kabad's action.
1:42:491 hour, 42 minutes, 49 secondsI don't think it's an opinion. I think it's a fact. Um the Rabbashkans did their work and did it well before they came into that community. They knew who they needed to buy and at what level.
1:43:001 hour, 43 minutesNow, I mentioned earlier this goes from the federal government to the state government to the county government to
1:43:071 hour, 43 minutes, 7 secondsthe local government. Even Lee Reiko when he ran for county supervisor 25 years ago
1:43:141 hour, 43 minutes, 14 secondswas given money by the ruboskas to help his campaign. They have a very successful outreach.
1:43:211 hour, 43 minutes, 21 secondsThey're not only in the Oval Office, but they've been in state capitals. I mean uh there are lots of pictures. Maybe one
1:43:271 hour, 43 minutes, 27 secondsof the more uh striking one is a picture of the Kabad emissary in LA dancing with now former governor Arnold
1:43:361 hour, 43 minutes, 36 secondsSchwarzenegger uh surrounded by guys in black hats and coats. So they are very successful uh in
1:43:451 hour, 43 minutes, 45 secondsreaching out to uh uh people in the political and and uh the power sector.
1:43:521 hour, 43 minutes, 52 secondsuh they found a lot of support uh uh economically from people who are uh supportive of Kabad but not necessarily
1:44:011 hour, 44 minutes, 1 secondmembers of it. They've been tremendously successful in the former Soviet Union and finding these so-called oligarchs
1:44:081 hour, 44 minutes, 8 secondswho are willing to support their outreach efforts in Russia and in Ukraine. Um they've always been
1:44:171 hour, 44 minutes, 17 secondssuccessful or not always but in many cases been successful in finding friends even in places like the Oval Office. Um
1:44:251 hour, 44 minutes, 25 secondsand um I think that uh that's a testament to their dedication and their political savvy. Nobody seems to want to
1:44:341 hour, 44 minutes, 34 secondsgo into this uh prejudice and and uh immoral actions.
1:44:421 hour, 44 minutes, 42 secondsAnd I I trace it also to Washington that the the lobby must be a lot more powerful than I even thought.
1:44:501 hour, 44 minutes, 50 secondsWhich lobby? The Jewish lobby.
1:44:541 hour, 44 minutes, 54 secondsAnd as far as uh the religious faith as it was practiced here,
1:45:011 hour, 45 minutes, 1 secondI I could not believe some of the things I was hearing. I always told uh Sister Mary who was the administrator before I
1:45:091 hour, 45 minutes, 9 secondscame or while I was retiring, you'll never have to worry. The biggest lobby in the United States is a Jewish lobby.
1:45:161 hour, 45 minutes, 16 secondsThey'll never raid that plant. Well, when they eventually did, it really wasn't a raid of the plant. It was a raid of the people and the town.
1:45:271 hour, 45 minutes, 27 secondsUm and the justice department was involved in some of this that uh making
1:45:341 hour, 45 minutes, 34 secondsit possible for the deportation of the uh potential witnesses without batting an eye. So
1:45:431 hour, 45 minutes, 43 secondswhat's behind it is that there we're discovering that there's a financially a lot of money behind it uh that was
1:45:521 hour, 45 minutes, 52 secondstrying to rescue Robashkin. You know, America has changed from the melting pot ideal uh to allowing for what we
1:46:011 hour, 46 minutes, 1 secondsometimes call the salad bowl that uh you can be different and unique in America. uh although there are limits on
1:46:091 hour, 46 minutes, 9 secondsthat too and that's been very good for groups like Kabad that uh seek to
1:46:151 hour, 46 minutes, 15 secondsemphasize Jewish u particularism and that seek to emphasize uh Jewish
1:46:241 hour, 46 minutes, 24 secondsdifference. I mean, Kabad, one of Kabad's goals is for Jews to be aware of their own uh Jewish particularity and
1:46:331 hour, 46 minutes, 33 secondsuniqueness and not to be swallowed up or assimilated by American secular modern
1:46:401 hour, 46 minutes, 40 secondsculture. In that respect, Kabad is sectarian. It's like other forms of
1:46:471 hour, 46 minutes, 47 secondsorthodoxy and that it aims to emphasize that Jews should not be like everyone else. They should not intermar. Uh they
1:46:561 hour, 46 minutes, 56 secondsshould emphasize their unique practices and identity. Um and uh in that sense uh
1:47:051 hour, 47 minutes, 5 secondsthey support the idea of multiculturalism because it allows Jews to express that
1:47:141 hour, 47 minutes, 14 secondsdistinctiveness without at the same time necessarily sacrificing their attachment to America and all that America offers.
1:47:241 hour, 47 minutes, 24 secondsuh they don't really want to be like everyone else and they think that Jews ought not to be like everyone else
1:47:351 hour, 47 minutes, 35 secondsindividuals on an individual basis they've been violent they've protested and made political
1:47:441 hour, 47 minutes, 44 secondsefforts to shut down places of worship um Israel is a place of free speech they
1:47:531 hour, 47 minutes, 53 secondshave the right to free speech, but they don't have the right to try to remove another person's free speech. And that's
1:47:591 hour, 47 minutes, 59 secondswhat they try to do. And they do not curb their violence. And that's a problem. They don't try to the
1:48:071 hour, 48 minutes, 7 secondsleadership is not making an effort to curb their own individuals from violence. And there have been violence
1:48:141 hour, 48 minutes, 14 secondsby some people in Kabad against against Jews who believe in Jesus. The biggest figure in the radical settler
1:48:231 hour, 48 minutes, 23 secondsmovement rebbitically is Yeetszak Ginsburg who was a Kabad ordained rabbi.
1:48:281 hour, 48 minutes, 28 secondsUm two of his students um Ellitsur and I forgot the other guy's name offhand. Um
1:48:371 hour, 48 minutes, 37 secondsit'll come to me maybe I'm seeing his face but I can't remember his name right now. But anyway, they're also again kabad rabbis. When I came back from
1:48:471 hour, 48 minutes, 47 secondsthose three weeks in uh in Palestine, I um I made an appointment to speak with every rabbi in town. The uh the
1:48:561 hour, 48 minutes, 56 secondsconservative rabbi Doberen, the reform rabbi Levy, and the um Orthodox Rabbi
1:49:031 hour, 49 minutes, 3 secondsGoldstein. And uh in all three cases, they listened to what I had to say, made some comments. Um Goldstein has in fact
1:49:121 hour, 49 minutes, 12 secondssaid uh we you know [clears throat] you're not portraying Palestinians in a human light are you? You know and it was
1:49:211 hour, 49 minutes, 21 secondslike really shocking to me you know he literally said that he literally said that you know because I was asking them if if I could address their conver
1:49:291 hour, 49 minutes, 29 secondsum congregation. example, there's a video of uh people coming out of the courthouse the first day of the Rabage,
1:49:371 hour, 49 minutes, 37 secondsthe first day of the trial. And I took one look at it and well, there's Manis Friedman, Rabbi Freriedman, the rabbi who had just said not long before that
1:49:441 hour, 49 minutes, 44 secondsthat uh we should be killing Arab babies to uh you know, and there was a whole thing about this about you look him up mis r-an.
1:49:541 hour, 49 minutes, 54 secondsYou look him up on my website, you'll see the stuff. Manis used to be a friend of mine, lived around the corner from him. uh you know I think well there's Manis there's this guy there's that guy
1:50:021 hour, 50 minutes, 2 secondsI'm looking at it and that so I had context immediately that that nobody else reporting had and here he is with he's he's right with
1:50:101 hour, 50 minutes, 10 secondsRabashkin he was there for he's Raashkin's close friend he's there as Rabbashkin support how dumb can you be this is the guy that just said this stuff it's it's you know true he's you
1:50:181 hour, 50 minutes, 18 secondsknow he's he only he's only quoting what Kabad says it's true that that you know it's a ridiculous
1:50:271 hour, 50 minutes, 27 secondsyou know whatever but anyway So, and there he is. You can't get better than that.
1:50:351 hour, 50 minutes, 35 secondsThey always have been successful in being participants in the Kaneka uh commemorations in the Oval Office. uh uh
1:50:431 hour, 50 minutes, 43 secondsthey managed during the Reagan administration to get their late rebba uh given a congressional award uh by the
1:50:531 hour, 50 minutes, 53 secondspresident in the congress without their rebba leaving uh his own uh uh office in
1:51:001 hour, 51 minutesCrown Heights, Brooklyn. Um they a lot of that is really a testimony to the
1:51:071 hour, 51 minutes, 7 secondssuccessful work of uh one of the current heads of of Kabad Lubavich of Raml Shento who is the emissary in
1:51:161 hour, 51 minutes, 16 secondsPhiladelphia and also whose son uh is an emissary in DC. So they've been very successful in that kind of work. When
1:51:251 hour, 51 minutes, 25 secondsthe Soviet Union began to fall apart, Kabad rushed in there in an attempt to quote unquote save. Soviet Jews, which
1:51:331 hour, 51 minutes, 33 secondsmeans they really wanted to bring them back to religion, but not just the Jewish religion in general, but to the Kabad understanding of the Jewish
1:51:411 hour, 51 minutes, 41 secondsreligion, which has its own peculiarities.
1:51:461 hour, 51 minutes, 46 secondsThey have made a political alliance with the Russian government, particularly with Vladimir Putin, which is continued
1:51:541 hour, 51 minutes, 54 secondswith his successor Medve. Namely, they have basically taken over all of the
1:52:011 hour, 52 minutes, 1 secondsynagogual and rabbitic positions in Russia, not in Ukraine,
1:52:071 hour, 52 minutes, 7 secondsin order to dominate Jewish religious life there. In return, they provide a
1:52:141 hour, 52 minutes, 14 secondscover for Putin and others against any charges of anti-semitism. For example, when Putin went after the so-called
1:52:221 hour, 52 minutes, 22 secondsoligarchs who included a large number of Jews or half Jews, people like Baris Berzovski, Vladimir Gusinski, Mikail
1:52:311 hour, 52 minutes, 31 secondsKhadarovski, all of whom were either jailed or forced to flee the country or Leonid Nevlin,
1:52:371 hour, 52 minutes, 37 secondsanother one. U he thought probably that he might be open to charges of anti-semitism because he was going after
1:52:461 hour, 52 minutes, 46 secondsJews. Now he wasn't going after Jews per Jews but as people who in the case of Gusinski was running a media empire that
1:52:531 hour, 52 minutes, 53 secondswas critical of Putin and in the other case as people who had funded or were said to fund opposition parties to Putin.
1:53:021 hour, 53 minutes, 2 secondsBut to pose in front of the cameras with a bearded blackheaded rabbi is proof
1:53:101 hour, 53 minutes, 10 secondspositive that this man couldn't possibly be an anti-semite. And Kabad was willing to get into bed with Putin and play this
1:53:171 hour, 53 minutes, 17 secondsrole of the house Jew in return for which uh Putin helped them achieve a monopoly
1:53:251 hour, 53 minutes, 25 secondsover well a near monopoly over Jewish religious life.
1:53:291 hour, 53 minutes, 29 secondsHe's a Yeah, he's a thug. Name is Barl Lazar. He's a real thug. He's the worst.
1:53:351 hour, 53 minutes, 35 secondsHe's he's the closest thing to a mafia Dan Kabad has.
1:53:401 hour, 53 minutes, 40 secondsThat's a and he was he basically he and his oligarchs cooperated to keep to get Putin in power and to keep out the the
1:53:491 hour, 53 minutes, 49 secondssuccessors to Yeltson that were democratically inclined.
1:53:521 hour, 53 minutes, 52 secondsWhere do you stand on a a group like Kabad? Do they are they I've talked to some professors who have been very critical of groups like that. Do you have a perspective on that?
1:54:021 hour, 54 minutes, 2 secondsFor what reason are they are they in terms of bigotry? How are they bigoted? Yeah.
1:54:081 hour, 54 minutes, 8 secondsAre you familiar with them? I I've I've run into them. They they they they do a lot. Tell me what uh No, I'm asking. No, this is what I've heard from professors.
1:54:161 hour, 54 minutes, 16 secondsBut but what what is it about?
1:54:181 hour, 54 minutes, 18 secondsWell, they're um Rabbi Manum. Are you familiar with this this writings and teachings? I've
1:54:261 hour, 54 minutes, 26 secondsinterviewed a couple scholars who read his text. I I'm not I mean I obviously know who Rabbi that their view is uh that there's
1:54:341 hour, 54 minutes, 34 secondsa there's a Jewish soul and then there's everybody else.
1:54:401 hour, 54 minutes, 40 secondsAnd I've talked to some people who are troubled by that, some Jewish scholars too. So my my interactions with with with folks
1:54:481 hour, 54 minutes, 48 secondsfrom Kabad, [clears throat] you know, have, you know, I if that exists and look, I I I'm reformed
1:54:551 hour, 54 minutes, 55 secondsand uh I've I've dealt with, you know, wonderful Kabad rabbis. Uh so if if if
1:55:031 hour, 55 minutes, 3 secondsthat's the overriding message, it's been lost on me and it's certainly not been one that's you know,
1:55:111 hour, 55 minutes, 11 secondsbut look, let me just say this.
1:55:201 hour, 55 minutes, 20 secondsIn any faith you will find those who will maintain that um some kind of exclusivity.
1:55:341 hour, 55 minutes, 34 secondsSo modern Jews like me I think uh you know can take that not only with a grain of salt but but
1:55:421 hour, 55 minutes, 42 secondsyou know but reject it. I have not heard that.
1:55:471 hour, 55 minutes, 47 secondsUm, the rabbis that I have met from Kabad have been just incredibly compassionate people.
1:56:151 hour, 56 minutes, 15 seconds[singing and music]
1:56:161 hour, 56 minutes, 16 secondsRab well yeah certainly I mean he's the spirit he's the spiritual father of the movement very well respected I think uh
1:56:241 hour, 56 minutes, 24 secondsagain I am no expert on kabad part of the part of these inference that they perfectly segregate themselves I've actually had interactions with some
1:56:331 hour, 56 minutes, 33 secondskabad uh members who actually actively outreach to uh to the Christian community. Um because if you go back and
1:56:401 hour, 56 minutes, 40 secondsyou read, you know, carefully some of the things and again I'm not an expert on on schneerson. I'm not an expert on kabad but you know but the rabbis said
1:56:491 hour, 56 minutes, 49 secondsyou know that uh anytime you share the truth of Torah then you are you're you're spreading God's word.
1:56:561 hour, 56 minutes, 56 secondsOkay. The role of a Jew is is in part to be part of the chosen people to and
1:57:041 hour, 57 minutes, 4 secondschosen people means to set an example and and there were the examples that
1:57:121 hour, 57 minutes, 12 secondsLupeters and Postville set were over and over examples of greed, hypocrisy,
1:57:211 hour, 57 minutes, 21 secondsum avarice, um lying.
1:57:261 hour, 57 minutes, 26 secondsIt was really the worst sense of humanity and it caused me to examine what is religion, what is faith.
1:57:381 hour, 57 minutes, 38 secondsUm, in many ways I felt that the postidum were deeply religious men and women but did they share faith?
1:57:491 hour, 57 minutes, 49 secondsDid they did they share a sense of of goodness of creating good? You know, there's a
1:57:581 hour, 57 minutes, 58 secondsmandate in Judaism called tunam, which is to repair the world.
1:58:041 hour, 58 minutes, 4 secondsThe hidum really didn't care much about the world at all. They cared about their own world.
1:58:121 hour, 58 minutes, 12 secondsBut I I think we're at a point now where many mainstream Jews can say
1:58:231 hour, 58 minutes, 23 secondswhat the postfilled Jews have done actually spurs anti-semitism.
1:58:281 hour, 58 minutes, 28 secondsAnd if we keep our our voices quiet and we don't condemn what the Jews in
1:58:361 hour, 58 minutes, 36 secondsPostville have done, we in turn are fostering anti-semitism.
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@sambaxrock
3 months ago
This is so enraging and gruesome
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@kimberlygreenland3785
3 months ago
Eyes opened EVEN WIDER.
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@ankokunokayoubi
3 months ago
Owner of this channel is not suicidal
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@TellustruthTell
3 months ago
Everyone needs to see this
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@judydyer
3 months ago
This was quite a project to melt together all these talks and include up to date.material. I find it encouraging that in 12 hours, 1,825 have viewed it. Is it the most forbidden topics in the human race?.... a main reason we are in such a mess now. We are in the grips of a huge lie.
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@aalassadi3844
3 months ago
As someone who is intimately familiar with the plight of the Palestinians, nothing surprises me about the self-appointed chosenites
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@pragma5282
3 months ago
Hello Ministry of truth AKA Mossad. I know your agents are watching, shadowbanning were they can, threatening and intimidating, using energy, money, resources and focus to try to stop the truth from reaching out. Good. Keep on doing it. The great noticing is unstoppable now
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@GimbalLocksOnly
3 months ago
Postville is just a microcosm of what these people will do to the world. Lord have mercy on us and them. This is just unbelievable.
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@robertbergdahl
3 months ago
Important documentation, rhank you. ❤
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@scottnyc6572
3 months ago (edited)
These are the same ilk along with our military government that are genociding everyone in the Middle East.The president,the administration and most members of Congress hold the same beliefs.Their ultimate goal is to takeover the world and rule over the ashes.They have their own police force,special protections and rights while protected by city police as well.
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@lorilea3188
3 months ago
Thank you for this document.
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@89fingerslouieXRP
3 months ago
#Noticing
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@lindacarpenter9271
3 months ago
Thank you for this documentary.
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@AvalonBeach000
3 months ago
Interesting documentary on this topic. 👏🏻🙏🏼
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@gandglv
3 months ago
My first accountant years ago was a rabbi. I still remember how perplexed I was to find out that there was nothing, holy or humble about him. He would even do things like make a fake 1099 for fifty bucks. He was and horrible gossip and had a porn addiction. I expected them to behave like a priest or pastor (or at least pretend to be) because they are supposed to be the religious leaders of their people.
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@Ann-eb8fo
3 months ago
👀Yikes.. How horrific.Poor Iowa.
There is so much I had no idea about. The more you understand the more chilling the realization.
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@WhataMensch
3 months ago
Excellent compilation
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@Sunny-fx1
3 months ago (edited)
"You are NOT portraying Palestinians in a human light, are you?" This response was given by orthodox Rabbi Goldstein (Chabad), upon jewish activist, Henry Herskovitz upon returning from a three-weeks visit to Palestine and asking to adress the congregation.
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@scronx
3 months ago
The basement! The tunnels! The rabbi fleeing (Saturday cartoon style) out of the grating onto the sidewalk!
The CHILD-SIZE MATTRESS WITH DRIED BLOOD IN THE NECK AREA......... and yes, kosher slaughter which is DESIGNED to cause each hapless beast an agonizing bleed-out.
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@sundroppp
3 months ago
This channel should have millions of followers
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@renegademystic999
3 months ago (edited)
The details are different, but this is why Jews were expelled from every country since Egypt, primarily for financial corruption often to the point of destroying the local economy. Yet Jews are taught, as I was, that the hate, persecution, and expulsions were due to the “goyim” being jealous of Jews having the Torah and being chosen.
I have experienced hanging out with Chabad in Brooklyn, Israel, then some in Seattle where I currently reside. I had been to “the Rebbe”, and I think I attended classics given by Manis Friedman! I was drawn to studying and practicing Orthodox Judaism largely due to my interest and attraction to the mystical teachings, which Hassidism is replete with.
I was studying their version of Judaism in Brooklyn and Israel, and overdosed very quickly on the dogmatic rhetoric. Very personable people if you’re in the J club. I was a guest in Chabad homes, and had friends in the group, until I became a heretic.
Chabad is most fanatic in religious observance. They get the OCD prize for how far you can take Jewish Law.
At this point, between with what Israel is doing in the region, the influence of J’s in all main sectors and institutions, and this too, I have no connection to Jewishness, aside from my ancestry which I cannot change.
Thinking now, I was part of the Orthodox community here in Seattle, with connections to some Chabad too in 2008. I vaguely recall hearing about this. For sure without details, and with much apologetics. I’m very grateful to have left it all, and in particular to never have become a part of Chabad.
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@chrisBaron-g2h
3 months ago
A Christian parent would say, "Say thank you to the man for picking up the litter". Christians teach their children to be polite because we are all brethren and should look after each other.
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@at5297
3 months ago
Excellent work!
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@GraniteChief369
3 months ago
A Rabbi named Marvin S Antelman wrote a couple of books on these people.
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@jeb31415
3 months ago
I didn't really know anything about Chabad before listening to these interviews, so they have been informative to me.
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@leoandolino4668
3 months ago
Check out documentary “ Defamation” (2009) by a talented young Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir it is very telling as well. He reveals a lot and it angered Abe Foxman and the ADL as he was allowed into their headquarters to film but they didn’t appreciate his truthful representation.
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@redleaftraining4u
3 months ago
Researching on the youtube one finds the Greeks and Romans objectively discussed the claim of a group being divinely chosen above all others as feasible, yet pondered why then would they have no real inventions or civilizational advancing innovations to demonstrate (such as theater) other than their temple with rituals, clipping infant weenies & a growing list of scams and abuses.
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@Sunny-fx1
3 months ago
"The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person... we have a case of totally different species...
The body of a Jewish person is of totally different quality from the body of all (other) nations of the world. The entire creation of a non-Jew is only for the sake of the Jews."
So wrote Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, revered leader of all Chabad, cited in "Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel" by Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky. P. 58-61.
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@RSly-t2z
3 months ago
Thank you for your videos
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@BromiusVates
3 months ago
Moses and Noah are no more than two examples of fictional literary characters
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@Sunny-fx1
3 months ago
This is an immensely important and informative documentary,- thank you for posting this!
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@TRUTHTEACHER2007
3 months ago
I would love to see an expose of what the nursing homes they own are like.
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@MxyzPi
3 months ago
Iowans won't call a spade a spade? That's not my experience from living in Iowa.
Iowans are frank, honest and ethical. They will not hide this.
Iowans may have welcomed the Lubavichers with open arms.
They also learned a valuable lesson to the extent that they allowed their integrity to be violated by these hostile elements.
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@dpm2312
3 months ago
1:54:05 This chap struggles to express himself. Clearly, he's afraid of Chahab. Towards the end, he's pinning exclusivity in all faiths, hence Chahab shouldn't be criticised.
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@dh2667932
3 months ago
The religious mafia.
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@WalterThorne-h5k
3 months ago
Thanks for this edit of your extensive earlier work…regards
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@removetrump-u9v
3 months ago
The Palestinians tried to warn us !! God help them
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@patm6704
3 months ago
The root problem is fake democracy and US/Israeli mutual back-scratching.
Relentless US empire-building and the Greater Israel Project.
The 20 year-long Princeton University research in 2014 revealed/confirmed the US is not a democracy or a republic, it’s a corporate-controlled oligarchy which serves the corporations, not the people.
Humanity is lumbered with two power blocs, pretending to be opponents but co-ordinating each other's veto powers at the United Nations Security Council, so each can achieve its own goals in its own domain.
One bloc - US/UK/EU/NATO - openly supports regime change, genocide, forced population transfers, ethnic cleansing, etc.
The other bloc - Russia, China, BRICS - pretends to oppose these but just mouths nauseatingly empty rhetoric at the UN which changes nothing, as intended.
The tragic but inevitable results of this heartless, ruthless capitalist system where might is right and the winner takes it all.
Many thanks for this excellent video.
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@WordToMomsYo
3 months ago
A particularly contemptible hate group posing as a religious sect. They should be treated as the criminal organization that they are.
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@Stublinsky
3 months ago
"They created a large amount animosity within the local community"
Well I'm so fucking overwhelmed and shocked !!!!!!!!
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@paulburow477
3 months ago
The term, 'antisemitism', was created by those who aren't Semites. European Jews who live on stolen Palestinian land. Now those European Jews are the real antisemites. Zionists. They have tried for many years to destroy the Judaism; they even hate the real Jews. So when you hear Netanyahu or Jillian Segal talk about antisemitism, you'll know they are perpetuating a lie, because they are attacking a Semitic people, the Palestinians, and it is they who are committing antisemitism.
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@whisper8742
3 months ago
A little Austrian painter tried to save us from these things...
The Allied Forces condemned us.
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@augustlandmesser1520
3 months ago
This is a channel with a great content, but you folks should consider that average folks have not so much time to watch 2-hours long videos.
I know, path to truth is not short or easy at all, but we also have our average daily reality.
Anyway, thank you for keeping the good work! 👍
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@RogerTeller-d1k
3 months ago
1:55:14 goodness, son, spit it out ! He chokes on his words here. I don’t know this man but he seems very bright- why is he having so much trouble answering these questions, saying his opinion? Is he being purposefully opaque here?
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@RogerTeller-d1k
3 months ago
For the algos
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@VOID-i3g4s
3 months ago
Oh, so you noticed too
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@MaisyK
3 months ago
The same thing happened in Monroe
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@AlanaForsewethy
3 months ago (edited)
I believe it is antisemetic to be bully and kill Semitic people. It’s antisemitic to bully and kill Palestinians.
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@jacksdaughter7989
3 months ago
Then one day an Austrian painter for no reason at all...
The utter magnitude of the lies we've been fed...FOR DECADES about all of this. About everything. And the swallowing of those lies has brought the entire western world to chaos, destruction and eventually the eradication of the people who built the civilization that everyone wants to live in.
Thank you for this video.
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@katehobbs5327
3 months ago
Keep “ Coexisting” 🤦♀️
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@hardrocklobsterroll395
3 months ago
Is this a cut you produced of your interviews? Many of these stories are familiar but this is an interesting documentary.
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@isabellalive
3 months ago
The Soul of every Child Born of Man Is Holy !
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@SuperScre4m
3 months ago
they want you to be upset with them, its all part of their game..
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@jeffb321
3 months ago
39:00 sounds exactly like the NPO 'cash for clunkers' program that was happening at that time...ran by the exact same sect.
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@rachs57
3 months ago
Tip Of The Iceberg
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@yoavsapir8146
3 months ago
Sorry but this is judaism 101. Obviously including chabad but none of this is particular to chabad.
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@deanmcinerney2324
3 months ago
Chabad are revolting.
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@locmajor6159
3 months ago
The plant is one of the true meanings of diversity being our strength
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@PERRYTHEPROPHET
3 months ago
In Germany there are always 2 Policemen outside every Synagog 24x7 and tax payers pays for that!They control everything and are the most protected class but always the victims
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@ane-louisestampe7939
3 months ago
Follow those who seek the truth, and run away from those, who have found it.
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@mr.sprumford7140
3 months ago
Naturally.....in 2017 Donald Trump commuted the prison sentence of the CEO of the meat plant, Sholom Rubashkin. Shocking.
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@LouOsh27
3 months ago
i wonder how many children were slaughtered there?
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@sundroppp
3 months ago
🤯🤯🤯 every single person must watch this!!! Chabad Lubavitch responsible for helping Putin stay in power was a complete shock even tho I’ve been studying their power for a while now. The more I learn the less I know somehow. They have so much more reach and power through obvious evils yet no one talks about them. Keep this up and make more videos abt this group to spread the news far and wide. Excellent interviews.
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@rVnikov
3 months ago
Wow. Thousands of views, and not a single like. Mine doesn't register either. One may find that suspicious...
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@14d823c
3 months ago
This is a documentary ❤
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@followtheciaence
3 months ago
Of course its still open, and based on google reviews, not much has changed
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@MariaCastaneda-p9r
3 months ago
Wasn't PRIDE the essence of Lucifer's sin?
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@kitiowa
3 months ago
This started off as informative and is devolving into a screed.
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@jamestregler1584
3 months ago
Sorry brother but GOD left the temple long a go ✝️🌎🙏
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@Mrs.Mansplainer
3 months ago
Their tactics of luring foreign workers is exactly like those documented by Upton Sinclair in The Jungle.
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@GermaniaTV1871
3 months ago
Germans were the second largest immigrant group to settle in Iowa. By 1920, half of all Iowa farmers were of German descent, contributing deeply to the state’s agricultural, social, and cultural landscape. Today, roughly 40% of Iowans trace their ancestry to Germany.
First "we" take Manhattan (ww1) and then "we" take Berlin (ww2).
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@Grenadier311
3 months ago
Let's not forget the secular juice when talking about Chabad. They're hitting us from the prefabricated left and right. It's an insidious game.
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@nostaljiturkce
3 months ago (edited)
Thank you for enlightening us.
Hype the video please. ❤
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@musicjuly3415
3 months ago
The name of this account - "Is it antisemitic to tell the truth?" - is interesting because the government of Australia just recently created "antisemitism" speech crime laws whereby it specifically includes that even if what you say is the truth, if a "reasonable member of the Jewish community" "feels offended" then it is still a crime. The truth is not a defence now in Australia and you will be locked up for telling truths that a Jew says he or she "feels offended" by. This can also include criticism of Israel and support for Palestine. An 18 year old girl in Queensland Australia was charged and jailed for wearing a t-shirt that had "from the river to the sea" on it.
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@argh9743
3 months ago
Of course it's in mono and only left channel kinda works but great!
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@commenter5469
3 months ago
Well! As Ukrainian ( and Nokolayev is in Ukraine), I’ll say: that they are THAT BAD!
If you ask me whether all of them - definitely no! But amount of deceit, lies, deflection conniving and usury coming from that group - is highly disproportionate compared to other groups, by many folds.
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@PERRYTHEPROPHET
3 months ago
Based on historical records of major expulsions, exoduses, and persecutions spanning over 2,000 years, they have faced over 1000 times formal expulsion or forced displacement from over 100 distinct countries, regions, or major cities! That must be a reason for that! You can literally close your eyes and think about a horrible event in the human history, then point your finger at these so called chosen people and you will be 90% right. I just learned that the opium wars in China was caused by the Sassoon Family! David Sassoon is frequently described in modern popular culture as history's first global "drug lord"! They are truely the champions of victimhood
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@emilysnyder4857
3 months ago
Men make God in their own image. It becomes a problem if the ones who are creating the picture of what God is and what service to their God looks like are also sociopathic or narcissistic. Because, like them their concept of God is one that justifies abuse of others because they believe if everyone was just like them the world would be perfect as they are perfect. The catch, which anyone who has been in a relationship with a religious narcissist can testify about... Is that you will never be just like them. They move the goalposts and keep you always working for your inclusion in the group. You will never be enough though. Even if the foreigner who is practically a slave in the house of a religious narcissist could learn to say all the sacred prayers and sacrifices they would still be seen as unrighteous because the spiritual narcissist can't perceive itself as an equal, or as someone who has any flaws or accountability for doing harm.
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@MxyzPi
3 months ago
1:54:05 You don't even need to hear the entire question from the interviewer to know Levin's answer to the question; which he absolutely does not want to give.
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@Anananamerika
3 months ago
The pastor is ignoring the fact that Amish and similar also keep their communities relatively isolated and they do not have the same issues with the communities around them because they treat others as HUMANS and not beneath them.
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@Frank-f1i9l
3 months ago
Mark Grey appears to be a man who wouldn't even take his own side in a fistfight.
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@logicinchaos
3 months ago
I see the beginning of a damage control operation. They will actively lay all the blame with the baddies - Israel and/or Chabad, cut losses and move on. It's not just Chabad, that's bs. It's the Jews. I'm done with the benefit of doubt.
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@CryptoChrisp
3 months ago
Take & take & take & take, lie & lie & lie & lie, accuse, accuse, accuse, accuse. 109 & counting.
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@Lynn-z6i
3 months ago
Just answering the thumbnails question....
Probably YES. 😮
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@anbakeoriginal
3 months ago
The Davos 'Whirled'. "You'll have nothing and be happy".
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@jeremykieffer7660
3 months ago
The corruption didn't stop with the Jews. You should look into the Federal Judge Linda Reid who along with her husband bought stock in the Geo Group private prison Contractor in advance of the raids. Insider trading much!! ? This story is a tale of one big scam all around.
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@TheTeach56
3 months ago
Why do they hate us?
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@33BIGDONJOHN33
3 months ago
I’ve never met a good Jew that didn’t consider themselves above everyone else, truly a disgusting being. And these idiot Christians and whoever else gladly donate millions if not billions to a people who only look down on them and laugh and mock them as they drain their pockets, it’s truly disgusting how ignorant they really are.
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@richard9316
2 months ago
Very interesting, when in NYC I saw pictures on manachem plastered all over, I didn't know who it was until now.
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@ImperialAquila
3 months ago
Antisemitism is the same as Islamophobia. Both are fabricated and weaponized words to quell questions and concerns.
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@IcantfindMikeHawk
3 months ago
So they hire underage illegals . . . they screw over the illegals and their children, while screwing over the American citizens as well .
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@krzysztofwoloszynek7311
3 months ago
did chabad come mostly from parts of ukraine historically . they not semites
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@statusquo1234
3 months ago
It can be.
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@bennyscorgizone5343
1 day ago
Notice you never see them dancing with women…..
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@stop-feedingTHEbeastWAKEUP
3 months ago
109 countries 1kx. let's keep it up. there is a reason & it ain't antiseptic. it's ANTI-SATANIC
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@assemblyofsilence
3 months ago
Audio only on left side…
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@leoandolino4668
3 months ago
Dead Chabad Messiah Rebbe Schneerson also taught that the Jews who perished in the concentration camps deserved their fate because they were non religious. A Jewish psychiatrist once described Schneerson as a “sociopath”.
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@jdh659
3 months ago (edited)
Is Chabad-Lubavitch a modern day version of the Sabbatean Frankists? Is Chabad-Lubavitch pro-Zionist or anti-Zionist?
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@stop-feedingTHEbeastWAKEUP
3 months ago
this is making me physically ill. never stop talking about this. palestine is here. everything they do to palestinians......i've heard all of this for decades
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@AB-tg5mx
3 months ago
My jewish friends say chabad is not jewish its a criminal cult. They also said something about a 7yo boy getting hit by the rebbis motorcade then later dying because the ambulance were for chabad only
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@gxruiz1
3 months ago
Don’t know when this was made but Rubashkin’s sentence was commuted by Trump way back in 2017…
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@raaaaaaarr
3 months ago
University of Arizona ftw apparently .
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@MorknMandy
3 months ago
I dont appreciate that one of these people uses güero as a comparison to the use of goy. In no way is it the same. Mexicans call light skinned and fair haired family members güero as a nick name. A term of endearment. Fathers will jokingly call their light eyed fair haired children that. Will a J call their children goy? I bet not. It is not the same. goy is a slur and only a slur! Nice try. Always giving them an excuse for their unacceptable behavior.
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@Rotary_Phone
3 months ago (edited)
I thought Kosher meat was supposed to be the cleanest, best, most pure meat in the world. I guess that's not the case. Who would have thought? If they'll sell their own chosen kind such a wretched quality of meat, then I can imagine all the claims in this video must be 100% true.
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@DiDi1984-
3 months ago
The problem is that if you say that…. you’re get labelled an anti-Semite
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@adamcampbell9806
3 months ago (edited)
dang that guy near the end (around 1:55) is so floundery and evasive. Can't even form a coherent sentence as if he was confronted with something he never thought he needed to be prepared for
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@tonyblackmore6767
3 months ago
Kicked out of 101 countries or something if I remember correctly? The onus is on Americans to make that 102.
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@Ghostlyliquids.
3 months ago
Read "The Koscher Pig"
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@shockshotz
3 months ago
if you really look at their faces, how they speak and their facial features, youll come to realise that the rainbow gang is just another extension of them
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@roguecow9632
3 months ago
The Ancient Greek root of the word 'Hebrew' means trafficker; https://www.youtube.com/live/ZQfu50zb1Pc?si=cFZBUe2McstO0ktf
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@sozfan1
3 months ago
no audio
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@mark-zi2ql
3 months ago
E.C. Moore the glorious gospel youtube
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@TDC6264
3 months ago
l’ve seen sh*t like this at non Zionist plants by USA owned companies also. Workers here are f*cked over every day. Unionize all of this industry now.
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@andersbergman-e4y
3 months ago
chabad rules USA, israel, ukraine and russia. chabad is the most influencial ideology in our time.
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@pennylane2palestine
3 months ago (edited)
Rabbi Schneerson sounds like a supremacist. All forms of racism is hideous without exception.
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@RomaRoma1992
3 months ago
They look so superior dont they?
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@theSeedisChrist
3 months ago
Well, all of this is permitted by their Talmudic system . . . . what's up with . . . Moshiach News Global😏
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@thehanddealt
3 months ago
These problems are in all meat packing. Its now a prison labor job. It used to be a respected job you can raise a family. Tyson is the same
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@nbach2202
3 months ago
The same is happening in Lakewood New Jersey, Monroe New York and many others towns in America.
Occupation of the land by this group is profound , deliberately destructive .
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@jamesdean1143
3 months ago
They chose Schneerson as their messiah over Jesus ?
Even Schneerson didn’t believe that he was the messiah because he asked Benjamin Netanyahu when Benji was going to activate the real messiah.
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@ataukazamana
3 months ago
Dezionise
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@zexnynex777
3 months ago (edited)
19:15 What was laying on the sidewalk? Ears?
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@KnightsUnion
3 months ago
16:45-17:00 (Palestine 1930s-40s)
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@IoProprioIo
3 months ago
i hereby condemn mono audio as anti-semitic
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@user-jr4dm6ju8w
1 month ago
So it was a Jew thanking God for making him different and not God telling the Jew that they are different? You are to follow God's word and not a Rabbi speaking as a false God, correct?
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@jasons5904
2 months ago
1:37:19 a Pastor offering to “change” (remove) religious symbols, to make Js feel more comfortable, is shameful.
You want to meet somewhere else, whatever. You want to hide Jesus on the cross for a J?
You may have to answer for that.
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@amychaseaussie
1 month ago
Watch Jake Shield podcast with Jonathon Azaziah. These people are disgusting.
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@jacobblanton5179
3 months ago (edited)
16:00 + minutes in it's feels like it's just jews accidentally telling on themselves while offering flimsy excuses...
Edit 23:00 minutes in and it's still jews and boomers denying reality despite explaining it clearly... ️
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LMFAO
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@rehanaflowerinjannah4499
2 months ago
Chosen by GOD for what?
"According to the Muslim narrative, there is only one true God and we all have equal access to him. That one true God does not discriminate between people based on their race. The children of Israel and everyone else, all human beings have equal access to that God.
Yes, historically, one true God did choose the children of Israel (in that time of history) but that wasn't a racial privilege. It was a moral privilege that God gave to them because they submitted to him and worshiped him alone. God chose them because of their submission to him and this submission was modelled and it reached its peak in the lives of great human beings like Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, like all of the other great prophets of the children of Israel that God chose to be from among the children of Israel."
Quoted from Youtube video: Are the Jews really the chosen people? | Episode 3 of 8 (https://youtu.be/WkPd-kMzDUM?si=vVU6cTGEX-1I3lcC)
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@kimthackwray8101
3 months ago (edited)
Religion is a cancer on this world. What they show most clearly is that there is no god just predators and prey. These religions have created an endless hell on earth for millions. If anyone tries to sell you a god, they're inevitably predators who want to control and exploit you.
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@paronzoda
3 months ago
Disgusting
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@MrJohndoakes
3 months ago
5:08 Shmarya Rosenberg old, sadly defunct newsblog "Failed Messiah" published photographs from the 1930s of what the Lubavitchers looked like, and most were wearing then-modern suits and ties and they weren't wearing black, it was a society becoming more modern over time. After the fiasco of WWII, the survivors who got to America just went full-on into wearing a uniform, and now there is a bizarre internal cult within the movement that thinks that Rabbi Schneerson is still alive and being hidden even though he passed away in 1994. The tunnel under 770 discovered in 2024 was part of that cult, which shows all the signs of being a form of primitive Christianity.
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@primoshe2
3 months ago
goldstein is lying and knows he's lying about chabad guys not being able to speak english only yiddish and hebrew... this is ridiculous... everyone of them in postville and everywhere else in the world born in amer speak english... same in canada great britain australia and new zealand...
yiddish only speakers among them are mostly in their 80s by now and have never moved out of crown hghts since emigrating from eastern europe before or after ww2... anyone born here speaks perfect english unless they come from israel which only a few plant managers did over the years that rabashkin was in operation... the vast majority were from the east coast...
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@andrzejo6963
3 months ago
Parchy ich rebe był zwykłym hosztaplerem ruskim.
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@wadedavies3924
3 months ago
Isn't this the Rabbi that Trump pardoned and sprung from prison?
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@Neversink11
3 months ago
17:05 Priest with a Che Guevara pin on his jacket???
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@EAMFGFaxardo
3 months ago
Imagine how they treat the Palestinians with their well equipped American tax payer military
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@brote1291
3 months ago
This version of Judaism is really giving high control Evangelical Reformed Christianity. Hilarious if not for it being so dangerous.
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@stop-feedingTHEbeastWAKEUP
3 months ago
CHRIST IS KING & HE WAS PALESTINIAN
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@borbolettaazul
3 months ago (edited)
For me Chabad are not real jewish and real religious. its a Ideologie. Even germans teutonicos where more jewish. to discriminate other religions and believes is rassism,
antisemitissm, there are more than one semitic folk on earth, they are against human beeings.
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@ThineLesser
3 months ago
Worst thumbnail ever
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@andriystehnovych810
3 months ago
The factory was so bad that high school children chose to work at the factory instead of going to school 51:20. I didn't understand, was it bad or good at the factory?
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@heathbar74
3 months ago
The self hating professor is the problem in this story.
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@Sasha-v7h2k
3 months ago
what he daid it is true but somehow people does not apply it to islam or muslims who are much more aggressive than any religeous jew?
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@hilohahoma4107
3 months ago
I love how some white people got the opportunity to experience what it's like to be treated as they have treated other darker skinned human beings.
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@DeboraBecker-m4z
2 months ago
there couldn’t be anything that brings and elevates antisemitism than this outrageous disgusting documentary. Based on the comments they achieved their goal.
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@DataLynx-p5n
3 months ago
Anyone can sit in on a Chabad Bible study to immediately see what BS all this is, but don’t let that ruin your fun, kiddos! 😂 enjoy the obsession.
most Jew-haters would be bitterly disappointed to learn how little time Jewish Bible teaching ever focuses on non-Jews.
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