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Zionism's Biggest MISTAKE In 300 Years. End Of Project. | Profs. J. Sachs & Y. Rabkin - YouTube

Zionism's Biggest MISTAKE In 300 Years. End Of Project. | Profs. J. Sachs & Y. Rabkin

Neutrality Studies
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For decades Israel pretended to be an innocent country established after the horrors of the holocaust for the protection of the Jews. Turns out, it was all a lie. 
The zionist project is much older and has little to do with the wishes of the Jews when it was established. Inherently a christian doctrine, Zionism was always a plan to resettle the jews of Europe even against their will and to dominate West Asia in the process. Today, prof. Jeffrey Sachs and prof. Yakov Rabkin are discussing the past and the future of a racist settler-colonial political project that has become so violent in the past decade that the entire world now sees it for what it is. An irredeemable political sin.
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제시해주신 영상 **"Zionism's Biggest MISTAKE In 300 Years"**는 제프리 삭스(Jeffrey Sachs) 교수와 야코프 랍킨(Yakov Rabkin) 교수가 시오니즘의 역사적 뿌리와 현재의 위기, 그리고 그 이면에 숨겨진 기독교 시오니즘의 역할을 심도 있게 분석한 대담입니다.

다음은 해당 영상의 내용을 바탕으로 한 상세 요약과 비평입니다.

1. 영상 요약: 시오니즘의 실체와 두 갈래의 흐름
이 대담의 핵심은 시오니즘이 단순한 유대인 민족주의를 넘어, 서구의 **정착자 식민주의(Settler-colonialism)**와 기독교 종말론에 깊이 뿌리를 두고 있다는 점을 폭로하는 데 있습니다.

시오니즘의 기원: 기독교적 도그마와 식민주의
야코프 랍킨 교수는 시오니즘이 초기부터 스스로를 식민 사업으로 규정했음을 강조합니다. 이스라엘의 첫 금융 기관 명칭이 **'유대인 식민 신탁(Jewish Colonial Trust)'**이었다는 사실이 이를 방증합니다. 또한, 현대 유대 시오니즘에 앞서 19세기 영국과 미국에서 발생한 기독교 시오니즘이 그 전초 역할을 했습니다. 이는 유대인들이 팔레스타인으로 돌아가야 그리스도의 재림과 종말이 온다는 '세대주의(Dispensationalism)' 신학에 기반하며, 유대인 개인의 의사와 상관없이 그들을 이용하려는 서구적 기획이었습니다.
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두 종류의 시오니즘: 유대와 기독교의 결합
제프리 삭스 교수는 오늘날 이스라엘을 지탱하는 두 축을 다음과 같이 설명합니다.

유대 시오니즘: 19세기 말 유럽의 민족주의 열풍 속에서 반유대주의를 피하기 위해 국가를 세우려 했던 세속적·민족주의적 흐름입니다.

기독교 시오니즘: 미국 내에만 약 5,000만 명의 추종자가 있으며, 성경적 권리를 근거로 이스라엘의 영토 확장을 지지하는 강력한 정치 세력입니다. 삭스 교수는 마이크 허커비(Mike Huckabee) 주이스라엘 미국 대사를 예로 들며, 이들이 나일강에서 유프라테스강까지 이르는 '대이스라엘'을 신봉하며 현재의 공격적인 정착 정책을 뒷받침하고 있다고 비판합니다.
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이스라엘 로비와 미국 정치의 부패
삭스 교수는 미국 정치가 '이익 집단에 의한 국가 포획(State Capture)' 상태에 빠져 있다고 지적합니다. 이스라엘 로비는 유대인 억만장자들의 자금뿐만 아니라 대규모 기독교 복음주의 교회들의 자금력과 표를 바탕으로 움직입니다. 이는 미국 정치인들을 저렴하게 매수하여 대중의 의사와 반대되는 전쟁 지지 정책을 유지하게 만듭니다.
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시오니즘의 파시즘화와 유대인의 분열
랍킨 교수는 시오니즘이 과거의 사회주의적 외양에서 벗어나 우익 파시즘으로 진화하는 것은 필연적 결과라고 주장합니다. 특정 민족만을 우대하는 배타적 민족주의는 필연적으로 원주민 탄압과 폭력을 수반하기 때문입니다. 이로 인해 전 세계 유대인들 사이에서는 "이스라엘이 유대인을 대표하지 않는다"는 목소리가 커지고 있으며, 이스라엘의 폭력적 행보가 오히려 전 세계 유대인들의 안전을 위협하고 있다는 역설이 제기됩니다.
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2. 평론: 신화의 붕괴와 도덕적 파산
이 대담은 이스라엘-팔레스타인 갈등을 단순한 영토 분쟁이 아닌, 서구 근대성의 모순이 집약된 정치적 사건으로 재해석합니다.

1) 신성시된 식민주의의 민낯
영상에서 가장 충격적인 지점은 시오니즘과 반유대주의의 기묘한 공생 관계입니다. 테오도르 헤르츨이 반유대주의자들을 '최고의 친구'라고 불렀던 역사적 사실이나, 나치 당국과 시오니스트 간의 협력 사례는 이스라엘이 내세우는 '홀로코스트 생존자의 안식처'라는 서사를 정면으로 반박합니다. 이는 시오니즘이 유대인의 해방보다는 유럽 내 유대인 문제를 '외부화'하려는 서구의 전략적 도구였음을 시사합니다.
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2) 종교적 광기와 세속적 권력의 결합
기독교 시오니즘에 대한 분석은 현대 미국 외교 정책의 비합리성을 날카롭게 꼬집습니다. 21세기 첨단 국가인 미국이 19세기식 성경 해석(세대주의)에 기반해 중동 정책을 결정한다는 사실은 서구 합리주의의 도덕적 파산을 의미합니다. 삭스 교수의 지적처럼, 이는 종교적 신념이 자본과 결합해 민주주의를 어떻게 훼손하는지 보여주는 전형적인 사례입니다.
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3) 이스라엘의 실존적 위기: '유대성'과의 결별
랍킨 교수가 지적하듯, 이스라엘이 스스로를 '유대 민족의 국가'로 규정할수록 전 세계의 세속적·종교적 유대인들은 실존적 위기에 직면합니다. 유대교의 보편적 가치인 '정의'와 '평화'가 이스라엘의 '군사적 점령' 및 '인종차별'과 충돌하기 때문입니다. 이 대담은 시오니즘 프로젝트의 종말이 외부의 적이 아닌, 내부의 도덕적 붕괴와 유대인 공동체의 분열에서 시작될 것임을 예고합니다.
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4) 결론
본 영상은 시오니즘을 **"구제 불능의 정치적 죄악"**으로 규정하며 매우 강경한 어조를 취합니다. 두 지식인의 통찰은 이스라엘-팔레스타인 문제를 이해하는 데 있어 '종교 전쟁'이라는 프레임을 넘어, 식민주의 역사와 미국의 부패한 정치 구조를 직시해야 함을 일깨워줍니다.

이 영상에서 언급된 '기독교 시오니즘'의 역사적 배경이나 미국 내 이스라엘 로비(AIPAC 등)의 구체적인 작동 방식에 대해 더 자세히 알아보고 싶으신가요?

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다음 글은 요청하신 <1,000단어 요약+평론>입니다. (한국어 + English)

📘 요약 + 평론

<Zionism's Biggest Mistake in 300 Years – Sachs & Rabkin 인터뷰>

1️⃣ 핵심 요약 (Summary)

이 자료는 경제학자 Jeffrey Sachs와 역사학자 Yakob Rabkin이 참여한 인터뷰 형식의 대담으로, 시온주의(Zionism)의 역사적 기원, 종교적·정치적 성격, 그리고 현대 이스라엘 정책의 문제를 비판적으로 분석한다.

① 시온주의의 기원: 유대적이기보다 유럽적

Rabkin과 Sachs의 핵심 주장 중 하나는, 시온주의가 흔히 생각되듯 “유대인의 자연스러운 민족운동”이 아니라,
19세기 유럽의 민족주의 흐름 속에서 등장한 세속적 정치 프로젝트라는 점이다.

  • 시온주의 지도자들(예: 헤르츨)은 종교적 유대인이 아니라 세속적 민족주의자였다

  • 초기 유대교 전통은 오히려 민족국가 건설에 비판적이었다

  • 많은 유대인 공동체는 시온주의에 반대하거나 무관심했다

즉, 시온주의는 “유대교의 필연적 결과”라기보다
유럽 민족국가 모델을 유대인에게 적용한 정치적 선택이었다.

② 식민주의적 성격

Rabkin과 Sachs는 시온주의를 단순한 민족운동이 아니라
**정착 식민주의(settler colonialism)**로 규정한다.

  • “Jewish Colonial Trust” 같은 초기 기관 명칭 자체가 이를 보여줌

  • “새로운 예루살렘” 개념은 미국·유럽 식민 이데올로기와 유사

  • 성서적 정당화는 실제로는 후대에 강화된 해석

특히 Sachs는 시온주의가
“유럽이 유대인을 중동으로 재정착시키는 프로젝트”라는 점을 강조한다.

③ 기독교 시온주의의 영향

흥미로운 부분은, 이 대담이
**기독교 시온주의(Christian Zionism)**의 역할을 매우 크게 본다는 점이다.

  • 미국 내 약 5천만 명 규모의 기독교 시온주의자 존재

  • 이들은 성서적 종말론에 따라 이스라엘을 지지

  • 미국 외교 정책에도 상당한 영향

이 관점에 따르면,
오늘날 이스라엘 정책은 단순히 유대인 정치가 아니라
미국 종교 정치와 결합된 현상이다.

④ 이스라엘 내부와 유대 사회의 분열

Rabkin은 다음을 강조한다:

  • 유대인 = 시온주의자가 아님

  • 많은 유대인들이 이스라엘 정책을 비판

  • 특히 폭력 확대 이후 분열 심화

또한 미국 유대인과 이스라엘 정치 사이에도
긴장과 거리감이 존재한다고 지적한다.

⑤ 현대 시온주의의 변화: 사회주의 → 민족주의 → 강경화

Sachs는 시온주의의 역사적 변화를 다음처럼 정리한다:

  1. 초기: 사회주의적 공동체 (키부츠 등)

  2. 중기: 민족주의 국가

  3. 현재: 점점 더 배타적·강경한 정치 형태

그는 현재의 방향이
“민족적 배타성과 지속적 충돌 구조”로 이어지고 있다고 본다.

⑥ 핵심 주장: “시온주의의 전략적 실패”

이 대담의 결론은 매우 명확하다.

  • 시온주의는 “유대인의 안전”을 목표로 했지만

  • 오히려 지속적인 갈등과 불안을 낳았다

  • 팔레스타인 문제를 해결하지 못하면
    장기적 안정은 불가능

Rabkin은 특히
이스라엘이 “유대인의 대표”라는 주장 자체가
문제라고 강조한다.

2️⃣ 비판적 평론 (Critical Evaluation)

이 대담은 매우 강한 문제제기를 담고 있으며,
몇 가지 중요한 통찰을 제공한다. 그러나 동시에 한계도 분명하다.

✔️ (1) 강점: 시온주의의 “다층성”을 드러냄

이 대담의 가장 큰 장점은 다음이다:

  • 시온주의 ≠ 유대교

  • 유대인 내부의 다양성 강조

  • 종교·정치·제국주의의 결합 분석

이는 단순한 “친/반 이스라엘” 논쟁을 넘어
구조적 이해를 가능하게 한다.

특히
<유대인 내부 비판 전통>을 강조한 점은
매우 중요한 균형 요소이다.

✔️ (2) 기독교 시온주의 분석의 가치

미국 정치에서 종교적 요소는 실제로 중요한 변수이며,
이 점을 강조한 것은 의미 있다.

다만:

  • 영향력은 크지만

  • “결정적 요인”으로 보는 것은 과장 가능성 있음

즉, 설명력은 있지만
단일 원인으로 보기에는 부족하다.

⚠️ (3) 약점: 단선적 서사 위험

이 대담은 다음과 같은 경향을 보인다:

  • 시온주의 = 식민주의

  • 이스라엘 정책 = 구조적 억압

이 프레임은 일정 부분 설명력이 있지만,
다음 요소들이 상대적으로 약하다:

  • 유럽 반유대주의와 홀로코스트의 영향

  • 유대인의 실제 안전 문제

  • 아랍 국가 및 지역 정치의 역할

즉,
역사를 “한 방향의 책임 구조”로 단순화하는 경향이 있다.

⚠️ (4) 정치적 결론의 과도한 일반화

“시온주의는 실패했다”는 결론은 강력하지만,
다음 질문이 남는다:

  • 대안은 무엇인가?

  • 다민족 국가?

  • 분리 국가?

이 대담은 문제 제기는 강하지만
실질적 해결 모델은 부족하다.

⚠️ (5) 감정과 규범의 결합

대담은 학문적 분석과 동시에
강한 도덕적 판단을 포함한다:

  • “irredeemable political sin” 같은 표현

이러한 언어는 설득력을 높이기도 하지만
동시에 분석의 중립성을 약화시킬 수 있다.

3️⃣ 종합 평가 (Overall Assessment)

이 자료는 다음과 같이 평가할 수 있다:

✔️ 의미

  • 시온주의에 대한 비판적 내부 시각 제공

  • 유대인·종교·정치의 관계를 재해석

  • 미국–이스라엘 관계의 구조적 분석

⚠️ 한계

  • 역사적 균형 부족

  • 정치적 결론의 단순화

  • 대안 부족

4️⃣ 결론

이 대담은 단순한 정치 비판이 아니라,
하나의 중요한 질문을 던진다:

“유대인의 안전을 위한 프로젝트가
정말 그 목적을 달성했는가?”

이 질문은 단순히 이스라엘만이 아니라,
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Summary + Critique

This interview featuring Jeffrey Sachs and Yakov Rabkin presents a critical interpretation of Zionism as a modern political project shaped by European nationalism rather than traditional Judaism.

The speakers argue that Zionism emerged in 19th-century Europe as a secular nationalist movement, not a religious necessity. Many Jewish communities historically opposed it, and early Zionist leaders were largely secular thinkers rather than religious authorities .

They further frame Zionism as a form of settler colonialism, pointing to institutions like the “Jewish Colonial Trust” and ideological parallels with European expansionism. Biblical justification, they argue, was emphasized later rather than being foundational.

A key contribution of the discussion is its focus on Christian Zionism. The speakers highlight the significant influence of evangelical groups in the United States, suggesting that American foreign policy toward Israel is partly shaped by religious ideology.

The interview also stresses internal divisions within Jewish communities. Not all Jews support Zionism or Israeli policies, and tensions between Israeli state policies and diaspora Jews are increasing.

Sachs outlines a transformation of Zionism over time: from socialist roots to nationalist statehood and now toward more exclusionary politics. The central claim is that Zionism has failed to provide long-term security and instead perpetuates conflict.

Critical Evaluation

The discussion is valuable in highlighting the diversity of Jewish perspectives and the political nature of Zionism. It effectively challenges the assumption that Zionism represents all Jews and introduces a broader historical context.

However, the argument tends toward a one-sided interpretation. It underplays key factors such as European antisemitism, the Holocaust, and genuine security concerns that shaped Jewish political decisions.

The emphasis on Christian Zionism is insightful but may overstate its role as the primary driver of U.S. policy. Similarly, the conclusion that Zionism has “failed” is presented forcefully but without a clear alternative political framework.

The use of strong moral language adds rhetorical power but reduces analytical neutrality.

Final Assessment

This work is best understood as a critical intervention rather than a balanced historical account. It raises essential questions about nationalism, identity, and security but should be read alongside other perspectives to gain a fuller understanding.

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Transcript

0:00Welcome back everybody to Neutrality Studies. My name is Pascalota and I'm joined today by my two wonderful
0:066 secondscolleagues Yakov Rapkin and Jeffrey Saxs. Uh Jeffrey of course in the United States and Yakov in Canada of the
0:1414 secondsUniversity of Montreal for Yakov and Colombia University for Jeffrey. Uh both of you welcome.
0:2121 secondsThank you. Great to be together with both of you. And we are meeting today in order to kind of discuss uh a topic of
0:2828 secondscommon concern uh which is the uh Zionism and actually Yakov is going to publish or a book of his is going to be
0:3737 secondspublished in English very soon uh called it's already published already published recently Zionism decoded in 101 quotes
0:4646 secondsin 101 quote quotes and uh Yakov you did a marvelous job in there to kind of show how Zionism has been a long-term project
0:5454 secondsand how the Zionists and their different groups have been anything but secretive about it. Um, let's maybe start with you
1:021 minute, 2 secondslike these these quotes. What do you think are they telling us about Zionism?
1:071 minute, 7 secondsAnd then we we ask Jeff to react to that.
1:111 minute, 11 secondsWell, I tried to show in the words of the founders and the words of the precursors of Zionism what that movement has been.
1:221 minute, 22 secondsAnd many people uh I think particularly in North America uh sound disappointed with Israel. So
1:301 minute, 30 secondswell it was such a wonderful socialist enterprise equality and all of a sudden it became rightwing and fascist and how
1:391 minute, 39 secondscould it happen? It must be Bib Netanyahu. It must be him. Well, my book shows that in fact the roots of this
1:481 minute, 48 secondsright-wing or right turn in Israeli political life uh has been clear
1:561 minute, 56 secondspractically for the whole history of Zionism because Zionism is a settler colonialist project and again it was
2:052 minutes, 5 secondsvery open about it. The first financial institution of the Zionist movement was called Jewish Colonial Trust. Well, you couldn't be more open about it. Uh so,
2:182 minutes, 18 secondsbut a lot of people didn't want to see it. See, the problem with Israel that the facts are all on the on the ground.
2:252 minutes, 25 secondsYou could see them, but people didn't want to see them because of all kinds of, I would say, very positive, pious
2:342 minutes, 34 secondstendencies. uh well, Jews have suffered so much they deserve a state. You know,
2:402 minutes, 40 secondsall these things uh that uh I think precluded and more objective look at what Zionism is.
2:512 minutes, 51 secondsJeff, what do you think is important for this like appreciation of just the Zionist project as a as a long-term kind
3:003 minutesof ongoing well like thing that that that keeps keeps actually creating a lot of problems for a lot of people.
3:093 minutes, 9 secondsWell, first let me say that Yakov Robkin is the the leading and absolutely brilliant
3:183 minutes, 18 secondsuh expositor and historian of this subject. So that everyone that's listening uh you must read Yakov's work
3:263 minutes, 26 secondsuh the new book but also a number of other books that explain absolutely
3:323 minutes, 32 secondsclearly and I would say uniquely clearly the background of Zionism uh how it
3:403 minutes, 40 secondsemerged what its ideological tendencies are and why it has created such disasters.
3:513 minutes, 51 secondsin the present day. And as we speak, one of the disasters is Israel's invasion of
3:593 minutes, 59 secondsuh Lebanon again uh and its destruction of Beirut uh in in these hours that we're speaking.
4:084 minutes, 8 secondsI think one of the most interesting points of Zionism is it seems to me to
4:154 minutes, 15 secondshave uh uh two kinds of strands. One is it it is a in a way a typical late 19th
4:244 minutes, 24 secondscentury nationalist movement. You Europe became uh a flame in nationalism at the
4:334 minutes, 33 secondsend of the 19th century. Every linguistic group, every ethnic group uh had to have its nation. Uh this ended up tearing apart Europe destroying multi-
4:454 minutes, 45 secondsethnic, multinational, multi-ingual empires. across Europe uh in especially
4:524 minutes, 52 secondsin World War I and uh and in World War II. So that's one of the roots and the
4:584 minutes, 58 secondsother uh roots are biblical uh and there the biblical roots are Christian Zionism
5:075 minutes, 7 secondsuh which was the precursor of Jewish Zionism as again Yakov has explained but is extremely important
5:165 minutes, 16 secondsbecause uh a major meme of western history uh that
5:245 minutes, 24 secondsactually extends across centuries of settler colonialism is the idea of the
5:315 minutes, 31 secondsnew Israel, the new Jerusalem. Uh and America was founded on that principle.
5:395 minutes, 39 secondsUh the United States before it was the United States was a British uh Puritan
5:455 minutes, 45 secondssettlers who saw themselves as the new Israel. uh and the idea of uh conquering
5:535 minutes, 53 secondsa new land in the name of God uh is a western idea. Of course, it has
6:006 minutesit has similarities in other regions of the world, but it's a Christian western idea. And Zionism is essentially a
6:096 minutes, 9 secondsChristian western idea as well. It's both nationalist and biblical.
6:156 minutes, 15 secondsUh the Jews that started Zionism as Yakov explains uh at the end of the 19th
6:226 minutes, 22 secondscentury were not reading the Bible the same way. Uh they weren't even reading the Bible necessarily. They were nationalists. They were looking to
6:316 minutes, 31 secondsovercome the absence of a physical state. They were looking to overcome anti-semitism
6:396 minutes, 39 secondsin central Europe uh or in Russia, the Russian Empire. Uh but it was the Christian Zionists that said uh there
6:486 minutes, 48 secondsneeds to be a nation because God promised that nation and in a very
6:556 minutes, 55 secondsI I won't use the term I was going to use in a very particular strand of uh ideas from the 19th century uh called
7:057 minutes, 5 secondsdispensationalism or premillennial dispensationalism.
7:107 minutes, 10 secondsa construct arises. Um again I won't use language that could be uh misconstructed,
7:197 minutes, 19 secondsharmful or yes or porative. But it's a very particular uh kind of set of ideas
7:287 minutes, 28 secondsuh that entail the Jews returning to build a land so that the end times can come and so that the second coming of
7:377 minutes, 37 secondsChrist can appear in Armageddon. based on a reading of the book of Revelations
7:437 minutes, 43 secondsand a new theology that emerged in Britain and the United States in the 19th century. Well, the only reason I
7:527 minutes, 52 secondsmention that and then I turn it back over to you is we have these two Zionisms today. We have a Jewish Zionism
8:008 minutesand we have a a Christian Zionism and they're partners. Uh you don't even know who's in the lead. Uh the United States
8:088 minutes, 8 secondsuh partnering with Israel is uh led right now by a group that is infused
8:158 minutes, 15 secondswith the extreme Christian Zionism. the American ambassador to Israel, uh, Mike Huckabe, uh, who is a Southern Baptist,
8:288 minutes, 28 secondsuh, and by all evidence a premillennial dispensationalist,
8:348 minutes, 34 secondsuh, said a few weeks ago just before the current war of aggression of Israel and the US that
8:438 minutes, 43 secondsIsrael owns all the land, has the right to all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. s based on I think a
8:528 minutes, 52 secondstheologically dubious but his reading of
8:598 minutes, 59 secondsuh Genesis chapter 15 and based on that there's a a sense that in our world
9:089 minutes, 8 secondstoday Israel should uh has the right to all of this land.
9:159 minutes, 15 secondsIsrael's acting on that because part of the Israeli government is
9:219 minutes, 21 secondsis Jewish biblical Zionism now which was not the Zionism of a 100red years ago.
9:289 minutes, 28 secondsAll in all, read Yakov. He knows all of this better than I do. So, I turn it back over to you. Hey, very brief
9:359 minutes, 35 secondsintermission because I was recently banned from YouTube and although I'm back, this can happen anytime again. So,
9:419 minutes, 41 secondsplease consider subscribing not only here but to my mailing list on Substack. That's pascalota.substack.com.
9:479 minutes, 47 secondsThe link's going to be in the description below. And now back to the video. Yeah, I would like to add I would like to add to what Jeff just said that
9:569 minutes, 56 secondsamong American groups that are engaged in the war against Iran,
10:0310 minutes, 3 secondsthe same idea being propagated.
10:0610 minutes, 6 secondsthe idea that they're bringing about the end of times that Trump was anointed by
10:1510 minutes, 15 secondsChrist so that he can bring together uh all the exiles. I mean all this uh
10:2310 minutes, 23 secondsrhetoric and this is not only rhetoric people honestly believe because I saw the interview with the
10:3210 minutes, 32 secondswell the officially American ambassador in Jerusalem even though I have doubts which country he really represents
10:4010 minutes, 40 secondsuh Israel or the United States uh he he said very clearly that for him there's a
10:4710 minutes, 47 secondsright uh biblical right the god-given right to occupy all the land. And I think that it's very dangerous that in
10:5610 minutes, 56 secondsspite of the separation between church and state in the United States uh federal troops are being indoctrinated
11:0411 minutes, 4 secondsin this way. Uh but again that's part of the general trend as far as I can say uh
11:1111 minutes, 11 secondsin American society these days and and you know very important American uh commentators uh have been have been
11:1911 minutes, 19 secondstalking about this just today there was an email sent out by the uh um by one of by the the the prime group foundation in
11:2811 minutes, 28 secondsthe US that kind of monitors these uh uh religious strains inside the army uh and Lawrence Wilkerson Colon Lawrence
11:3611 minutes, 36 secondsWilkerson is a board member of that foundation and he wrote again like an email warning everybody how dangerous this is because it's not only the
11:4411 minutes, 44 secondssecretary of war Pete Hexth who kind of uh represents one the the the Christian Zionist strain it goes all the way into
11:5111 minutes, 51 secondsthe the ranks of the army and that is highly dangerous Yakov um since you've looked at at at scanism for so long
11:5911 minutes, 59 secondsthese two strains Jewish Christian Scionism which one of the two is actually bigger and uh why is
12:0812 minutes, 8 secondsit that the Christian version is so also by now entrenched in the in these different branches of the US government.
12:2012 minutes, 20 secondsWell, I'll quote Pastor Hegy who is one of the leaders of Christian Zionists in the United States. And a few years ago,
12:2812 minutes, 28 secondshe said that there are 50 million Christian Zionists in the United States.
12:3612 minutes, 36 secondsThere are 15 million Jews,
12:4012 minutes, 40 secondsincluding babies and old people like myself. Uh, and so you could see which group is bigger. And United States is not the only place where you have them.
12:5112 minutes, 51 secondsChristian Zionism is extremely well represented in Brazil, in Guatemala,
12:5812 minutes, 58 secondsin parts of Africa, in South Korea. So you have it's a very important political
13:0613 minutes, 6 secondsreligious movement whereas Jewish Zionism uh is uh splitting Jews and as you know
13:1613 minutes, 16 secondsjust a most recent example in the election of the new mayor of New York who is overtly anti-ionist and very
13:2413 minutes, 24 secondscritical of Israel about onethird of the votes came from Jews. So you could see
13:3113 minutes, 31 secondsthat some people said well in spite of that no I wouldn't say it's in spite it's because of that that he got those
13:3913 minutes, 39 secondsJewish votes. So Jewish communities are very much divided
13:4513 minutes, 45 secondsand the more violence continues uh in West Asia and Israel is the perpetrator and initiator of it today you can't
13:5413 minutes, 54 secondsreally deny it even if you want to. um uh Israel uh is losing Jewish support
14:0314 minutes, 3 secondsand to a certain degree uh Christian Zionist support and that may explain why
14:1014 minutes, 10 secondsNetanyahu was in such a rush to start a war. Please Chris.
14:1714 minutes, 17 secondsYeah, I I was going to add um again
14:2314 minutes, 23 secondsbased on Yakov's um teaching up to us um at the origins of Jewish Zionism which
14:3214 minutes, 32 secondsis the end of the 19th century and the early 20th century uh the main religious
14:4114 minutes, 41 secondsuh movements of uh of Judaism in the United States and in Europe were
14:4714 minutes, 47 secondsgenerally against the Zionist idea. Uh the Zionist leaders most famously Herzel
14:5614 minutes, 56 secondsuh were nationalist and secular. Uh and they were uh propounding at that stage
15:0315 minutes, 3 secondsnot a biblical cause but a nationalist cause that each nation to protect itself
15:0915 minutes, 9 secondshad to have its uh nation state. Uh that was the idea of nationalism. uh not that
15:1715 minutes, 17 secondsyou are a nation living in say the Hapsburg Empire or the Romanov Empire uh with the multithnicity but you needed
15:2515 minutes, 25 secondsyour own state uh and that was true whether you were Serbs or Croats or
15:3215 minutes, 32 secondschecks or Bulgarians or Slovox and so forth. uh and um uh that was the uh
15:4215 minutes, 42 secondssecular Jewish Zionist uh strain. The rabbis said no. And I think it's absolutely fascinating for me. You know,
15:5315 minutes, 53 secondsI I grew up as a secular American Jew,
15:5915 minutes, 59 secondsbut definitely in the rabbitic uh style of Judaism. uh because uh bas basically
16:0916 minutes, 9 secondsum you know with my bar mitzvah and so forth this was in the standard uh
16:1616 minutes, 16 secondsrabbitic tradition though not uh in my own case in my community in a very uh
16:2316 minutes, 23 secondsreligious uh sense but in the uh rabbitic teachings the idea of Judaism
16:3116 minutes, 31 secondsfor roughly uh almost 2,000 thousand years or 1900 years is live where you
16:3816 minutes, 38 secondsare, obey God's commandments, behave, uh don't make too much mess, uh and um you
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondsdon't go back to to the holy land or the promised land. That's for the Messiah to determine. uh that's something you can
16:5516 minutes, 55 secondsremember in your uh prayers or your festivals uh during the year, but not something that was an actionable
17:0417 minutes, 4 secondspolitical agenda. And in the United States, we had several religious movements uh a so-called reform
17:1317 minutes, 13 secondsmovement, the least of the religious to orthodox Judaism to something in between the way that I was raised in
17:2017 minutes, 20 secondsconservative Judaism. But all of these strains at one point or another in the early 20th century said, "No, no, this
17:2717 minutes, 27 secondsis not us. You know, Israel or the Holy Land or whatever were Americans."
17:3417 minutes, 34 secondsAnd even uh when the Balfur declaration was issued to create a Jewish homeland
17:4117 minutes, 41 secondsunder uh the opaces of the British Empire which didn't yet have control over the land that it was promising a
17:4917 minutes, 49 secondstypical British maneuver. But in any event even when that happened there was one Jew in the cabinet a who said who wrote I'm against this.
18:0218 minutes, 2 secondsI'm I'm British. I'm I'm not uh this isn't my homeland. My homeland's British and this is going to create a mess
18:1018 minutes, 10 secondsbecause I don't want to be called you know a nationalist of some other
18:1618 minutes, 16 secondscountry. My nation is British and so that this Zionist movement was not what
18:2418 minutes, 24 secondsit is portrayed today as the great cause of the Jewish people. quite different
18:3118 minutes, 31 secondsthis if I may interrupt and add no you definitely should Montigue who wrote this this Jewish
18:3918 minutes, 39 secondsmember of the part of the British cabinet titled his letter protesting against the
18:4618 minutes, 46 secondsBalfa declaration accusation of the British cabinet in anti-semitism
18:5318 minutes, 53 secondshe accused them of anti-semitism for being Zionist for being Zionist because this is
18:5918 minutes, 59 secondssomething which today appears as an oxymoron. It isn't because even Herzel
19:0619 minutes, 6 secondswrote in his diary that anti-semites will be our best friends and allies.
19:1219 minutes, 12 secondsAnd again, if you look at it dispassionately, if I may say so.
19:1919 minutes, 19 secondsAnti-semites want to get rid of the Jews wherever they happen to live and Zionists want to bring them to Palestine.
19:2819 minutes, 28 secondstheir interests combine and it's not a coincidence that
19:3619 minutes, 36 secondsuh say during the 1930s in Germany Zionist established very much uh sort of
19:4419 minutes, 44 secondscooperation with the Nazi authorities who wanted to get rid of the Jews and the Zionists were trying to show that
19:5319 minutes, 53 secondsPalestine is a good place for Jews to go. So we have a lot of evidence and uh
20:0020 minutesmy book doesn't have illustrations but there was an episode which I think is very important as an Israeli film called
20:0720 minutes, 7 secondsthe flat and it shows well it's the story is about a SS official in 34 35
20:1720 minutes, 17 secondsvisiting Palestine in the company of the chairman of the Zionist Federation of Germany and writing wonderful article
20:2620 minutes, 26 secondsarticles in the SS newspaper and on the occasion of that visit
20:3420 minutes, 34 secondsa medal was coined with a swastika on one side and the Zionist symbol of the
20:4120 minutes, 41 secondssix uh shaped star on the other. So it's part of history and today when it's very
20:5020 minutes, 50 secondsinteresting a colleague of mine has observed if 100 years ago someone said to a Jew you're you don't
20:5920 minutes, 59 secondsyou don't belong here you belong to Israel he would be considered anti-semite today for some strange
21:0621 minutes, 6 secondsreason when someone says well I have nothing to do with Israel I'm American oh no no you're anti-semitic you're
21:1421 minutes, 14 secondsdenying the right of Jewish people for self-determination.
21:1821 minutes, 18 secondsSo you have a very interesting inversion of what anti-semitism is and I think incidentally it's very dangerous you
21:2721 minutes, 27 secondsknow the camouflage and just as if I could add with Montigue in this very uh
21:3421 minutes, 34 secondsamazing letter that he wrote uh um just to say I had the same absolutely gut
21:4321 minutes, 43 secondsrevulsion when Israel revised the ba its basic law in 2018. 18 uh and declared that the nation that Israel is the
21:5221 minutes, 52 secondsnation state of the Jewish people. And my reaction was, "How dare you? How dare you
22:0022 minutessay this? You're I'm not a citizen of Israel and you are not my uh my country.
22:0722 minutes, 7 secondsI'm an US citizen." And so the presumptuousness of it was felt uh by
22:1522 minutes, 15 secondsJews and it was actually the the original reaction and I think it's
22:2222 minutes, 22 secondsbecoming the main or a a very uh prominent reaction again today.
22:2922 minutes, 29 secondsWell, in the danger of it, as you could see,
22:3322 minutes, 33 secondsare uh episodes which unfortunately are more and more numerous of attacks on
22:4022 minutes, 40 secondsJews and Jewish institutions because of what Israel is doing.
22:4622 minutes, 46 secondsOf course, some Jewish Zionists contribute to that. They put up Israeli flags in front of their synagogues or in
22:5522 minutes, 55 secondsfront of their Jewish institutions. They say we stand by Israel. Well, in this case, you can expect this kind of
23:0323 minutes, 3 secondsreaction. Not that anyone should condone them, but a lot of people who are appalled by what Israel has been doing
23:1223 minutes, 12 secondsuh don't find a more acceptable way of protesting than this violent way of uh
23:2123 minutes, 21 secondswe just saw recently in Michigan. uh particularly in the very violent culture if I may say so uh of American society.
23:3223 minutes, 32 secondsMay I just ask because the the intention is also maybe in the last 15 minutes to also talk a little bit about the trajectory of Zionism and where you two see this movement or these movements.
23:4123 minutes, 41 secondsIt's more than one. It's it's at least two strains, right? And I know Yakov,
23:4523 minutes, 45 secondsyou also differentiate within Israel other strains that are non Zionist. But uh if we look at these two strains where you think they're going and and maybe
23:5323 minutes, 53 secondsJeff first, you know, there's a lot of talk and and John Mirshimer of course of course wrote this very important book about the uh the Jewish lobby, right?
24:0224 minutes, 2 secondsAnd and about ape sorry, huh,
24:0624 minutes, 6 secondsIsrael, Israel, the Israel lobby. So the the the thing is like if we differentiate between these two strains
24:1324 minutes, 13 secondsof Zionism and between the people lobbying for Israel, I mean who is actually lobbying for Israel? Who is the
24:2024 minutes, 20 secondsthe lobby? Is it the Christian Zionists foremost, the Jewish Zionists? Is it the the the Israelite like nationalists?
24:2924 minutes, 29 secondsWhat do you see and where do you see it going first Jeff and then uh Yakov? Well, I think it's I think Oh, sorry.
24:3624 minutes, 36 secondsOkay. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.
24:3824 minutes, 38 secondsYeah, I was going to say American politics should be understood as interest group politics and American
24:4624 minutes, 46 secondspolitics is has created a uh methods of state
24:5224 minutes, 52 secondscapture. So, uh the American political system is spend a lot of money and you get to set the policies in your sector.
25:0125 minutes, 1 secondUh it's an incredibly corrupted system.
25:0425 minutes, 4 secondsuh if somebody uh and let's hope they will be writes political science textbooks of uh the 22nd century just
25:1425 minutes, 14 secondslike we read as school kids about the rotten burrows of uh of Britain and you
25:2125 minutes, 21 secondsshake your head and how could you have a parliament that was owned essentially by one landlord or you know one aristocrat
25:3025 minutes, 30 secondsor so forth. We have a very corrupt political system, legalized corruption in in its way. Big money, big influence.
25:4025 minutes, 40 secondsUh and so you ask, well, what is this uh Israel lobby or the Zionist lobby? It's it is a actually a mix of a number of
25:4925 minutes, 49 secondsthings. Partly, it's directly the penetration of Israel into US politics because there's a lot of Israeli money and effort. Period.
26:0026 minutesI'm pretty much convinced that Epstein was a Mossad agent, for example, and was definitely
26:0926 minutes, 9 secondsan Israeli asset operating in the United States. Okay, there still are doubts about that, but I I don't have I don't
26:1926 minutes, 19 secondshave many of them. I think that this was pretty clearly somebody being used by Israel. And the
26:2726 minutes, 27 secondsevidence for that, by the way, is uh not not only the circumstantial evidence that Ahood Barack, who had been the head
26:3626 minutes, 36 secondsof military intelligence, was his big buddy, uh but the fact that Epstein was representing himself all over the world
26:4526 minutes, 45 secondsas making deals on behalf of Israel. And if he was freelancing, the Israelis would have stopped him. Believe me, they
26:5226 minutes, 52 secondsdidn't stop him. So the the fact is he was uh operating at someone's behest.
26:5726 minutes, 57 secondsOkay, that's an example of direct Israel influence. Then there's big Jewish money and and there definitely are Jews that
27:0527 minutes, 5 secondsare Zionists and there definitely are billionaire Jews that are Zionists and they put a lot of money into this just like there are a lot of us who are not
27:1427 minutes, 14 secondsbillionaire Jews who are not Zionists and especially are repulsed by what Israel is doing right now. Uh so if it's
27:2227 minutes, 22 secondstoday's Zionism, my god, no way. Um so this this is a a second uh strand that
27:2927 minutes, 29 secondsis definitely important and it's important because uh these are very influential.
27:3627 minutes, 36 secondsMiriam Naden,
27:3927 minutes, 39 secondswho is the widow of Sheldon Adlesen, a big casino magnate,
27:4427 minutes, 44 secondsshe definitely has influence. It's hundreds of millions of dollars given to Trump. And if there's one thing that Trump loves about above anything else,
27:5527 minutes, 55 secondsit's money.
27:5727 minutes, 57 secondsIt probably is his number one uh deep love. Uh even more than hatred and
28:0528 minutes, 5 secondsother things. So, she's definitely influential. He calls her out on occasions. Miriam, how am I doing? He's completely with his eye on the money.
28:1628 minutes, 16 secondsAnd and there's other big money involved that own, you know, they had to take over Tik Tok uh because Tik Tok was
28:2328 minutes, 23 secondsshowing images from Gaza and and so Larry Ellison and of Oracle, you know,
28:3028 minutes, 30 secondsfor his son buys Tik Tok. This is part of the lobby for sure.
28:3728 minutes, 37 secondsThen there is is the Christian lobby side. That's also not only a lot of votes, by the way, because it's maybe 30 to 40% of Trump's voter base. So,
28:4928 minutes, 49 secondsit's not small that evangelical Protestant uh Christian Zionism. Uh that's but it's also money.
29:0029 minutesThese mega churches are big money. Hegy who Yakov mentioned, he raises money for
29:0629 minutes, 6 secondsTed Cruz. Ted Cruz perhaps could care nothing about Israel, but he cares
29:1429 minutes, 14 secondsabout Haiti and Hegy finances him and Ted Cruz puts influential people into
29:2229 minutes, 22 secondsthe National Security Council and elsewhere uh that are basically some are even dual citizens literally Israeli
29:3029 minutes, 30 secondscitizens and US citizens handling the M East portfolio in the US government. So
29:3629 minutes, 36 secondsthe US is a very porous politics. Uh it's it's completely interest group sold to the highest bidder. Uh you know,
29:4729 minutes, 47 secondsI'm sure if the Arab world got together and made an Arab lobby and put in 10 billion rather than two billion, they could probably buy a lot of US politics.
29:5729 minutes, 57 secondsI'm not recommending this. I hate the American political system the way it is right now. But it is
30:0430 minutes, 4 secondsnot so hard to buy. And I'll just uh end by one note. Our politicians are incredibly cheap. They really are cheap.
30:1430 minutes, 14 secondsUh we're a $30 trillion economy. Uh we are many trillions of
30:2130 minutes, 21 secondsdollars uh of GDP. We're a$1.5 trillion dollar war machine. And yet a few
30:3030 minutes, 30 secondshundred million is often enough to buy control over your preferred sector. So
30:3730 minutes, 37 secondsit's quite a bizarre operation. The American people are against all of this.
30:4330 minutes, 43 secondsThey're against this war. They're siding with Palestine over Israel. But uh so far uh money speaks louder.
30:5030 minutes, 50 secondsYeah. And if you put it like that, you get a good bang for your buck in the United States. Um unfortunately. But Yakov, if you want to react to that and
30:5730 minutes, 57 secondsmaybe also give us your your kind of guess of where Zionism as a political movement is going.
31:0631 minutes, 6 secondsWell, I think Zionism has been moving from the stentatious left because it
31:1331 minutes, 13 secondsused to be very socialist uh cubs and all that to fascist right.
31:2131 minutes, 21 secondsAnd this has nothing to do with the personalities involved. I think this is a very natural evolution of a political
31:3131 minutes, 31 secondsmovement which is based on discrimination on ethnic nationalism.
31:3831 minutes, 38 secondsAnd here it's important to distinguish between ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism because in the system of
31:4531 minutes, 45 secondsethnic nationalism just like in anti-semitism you cannot change your characteristics.
31:5331 minutes, 53 secondsIn other words either you belong or you don't belong you cannot change it. uh and uh I would
32:0132 minutes, 1 secondsay that violence that we've observed in the Middle East in West Asia for the last
32:0932 minutes, 9 secondsuh 80 years is largely connected with Zionism.
32:1532 minutes, 15 secondsNot entirely but largely because you have to control the population that is
32:2232 minutes, 22 secondsnaturally unhappy. You displace it, you exile it, you discriminate, you now submit it to genocide.
32:3232 minutes, 32 secondsOf course, they're not going to be happy. Of course, there will be resistance.
32:3632 minutes, 36 secondsBut this resistance is not considered by Israel as legitimate and as logical in a
32:4432 minutes, 44 secondsway. But they tried to dress it as anti-semitism.
32:4832 minutes, 48 secondsI would say that if China had invaded Palestine, you would have exactly the same reaction or the Swiss decided to
32:5732 minutes, 57 secondsinvade uh Palestine, you would have anti-Swiss sentiment. So, I think that
33:0433 minutes, 4 secondsall of this has to be spelt out. And uh well if I may uh my other little book
33:1133 minutes, 11 secondsthat Jeff referred to about uh Jewish rejection of Zionism. You see this is
33:1933 minutes, 19 secondsreally important to understand that what is happening among Jews is also logical.
33:2533 minutes, 25 secondsI would say well I don't have sociological data but the higher the income of the Jew the more Zionist he's
33:3233 minutes, 32 secondslikely to be and that's why you have Adson's and others and it may have nothing to do with the
33:4133 minutes, 41 secondsJewishness but there is another very important group that is part of the lobby the arms manufacturers
33:5033 minutes, 50 secondsIsrael is very important both as a consumer Yep. and as a producer of arms and there
33:5933 minutes, 59 secondsis very close very close connections between the American and Canadian incidentally uh armed producers and Israel.
34:0934 minutes, 9 secondsSo and these are very important parts of uh society because the it's one of the wealthiest sectors of economy.
34:2034 minutes, 20 secondsSo the evolution of Zionism in the direction of fascism is perfectly predictable
34:2834 minutes, 28 secondsand I would say that it certainly is not Bib Natanyao or Smriidge or Beng also
34:3634 minutes, 36 secondsvery much mentioned in uh among those who say well how horrible these people are taking Israel in the wrong
34:4434 minutes, 44 secondsdirection. I wouldn't say so. I say that they represent their embody that trend towards fascism
34:5334 minutes, 53 secondswhich had been there from the beginning and then maybe we have to be mindful of time. Jeff, if you want to take two
35:0135 minutes, 1 secondminutes to give your kind of concluding thoughts and then the final final two minutes go to Yakov.
35:0735 minutes, 7 secondsExcellent. very briefly uh this point that Yakov made about the reaction of the Palestinians and the reaction of
35:1635 minutes, 16 secondsco-religionists in the Arab world was that resistance formed uh and uh and
35:2435 minutes, 24 secondsbasically since 1996 when Netanyahu first became prime minister he brought along with his
35:3235 minutes, 32 secondsAmerican uh adviserss the clean break doctrine The clean great doctrine says that
35:4135 minutes, 41 secondsgreater Israel will control all of Palestine. There will never be a Palestinian state. But more importantly,
35:4935 minutes, 49 secondseven that in response to resistance movements like Hamas or Hezbollah or
35:5535 minutes, 55 secondsothers, uh Israel's response will be to overthrow the governments in the Middle East that support those resistance movements. That's Netanyahu's insight.
36:0736 minutes, 7 secondsDon't fight the resistance, fight the governments that back them. So, Israel has been on a war spree since 1996.
36:1736 minutes, 17 secondsAnd Wesley Clark famously told us about the seven wars that the US would fight.
36:2336 minutes, 23 secondsThese are basically uh USIsrael wars.
36:2836 minutes, 28 secondsAnd that list included Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon, Syria,
36:3736 minutes, 37 secondsIraq, and Iran. And here we are. Uh we've had several Iranian small wars.
36:4636 minutes, 46 secondsThis is supposed to be the big one. So this is the logical effect. Also, uh you
36:5236 minutes, 52 secondsabuse your colonial settler. You push aside the local population. There's resistance. That resistance has its
37:0137 minutes, 1 secondallies regionally and you end up in regional war. And this is the disaster that we're in.
37:0937 minutes, 9 secondsVery sad. Yakov, please.
37:1237 minutes, 12 secondsWell, I think it's uh important to distinguish uh between Zionism is a political
37:2037 minutes, 20 secondsmovement and uh Jews and Judaism which may be religion or ethnic group whichever way
37:2837 minutes, 28 secondsyou want to put it because this confusion really serves Israel and Zionism.
37:3637 minutes, 36 secondsuh Israeli leaders whether they were socialists like Shimon Perez or Bib Natanyao or anyone else who would come
37:4437 minutes, 44 secondslater will convince you that Israel represents the entire Jewish people
37:5237 minutes, 52 secondsand for Israel it's a source of legitimacy for Jews it's a source of shame and
37:5937 minutes, 59 secondsinsecurity so it's very important to see that Israel not only hasn't brought security
38:0838 minutes, 8 secondsto the Jews, that's what the Zionist movement was promising. In fact, the most insecure place for a Jew to live today, I think, is Israel.
38:2038 minutes, 20 secondsUh, but it also brings insecurity to Jews in Michigan or in California or in Montreal or wherever they live.
38:2938 minutes, 29 secondsStrangely enough, not in Thran because Jews there don't identify with Israel.
38:3738 minutes, 37 secondsYeah.
38:3838 minutes, 38 secondsAnd the anti-ionist government of Iran knows very well how to distinguish between Jews and Zionism. So, and you
38:4838 minutes, 48 secondsknow, I've I've been to Iran. I even wrote about Jews in Iran. It's available in the internet. And I hope that uh they
38:5738 minutes, 57 secondsare not harmed. about what Israel is doing to that country. Yeah.
39:0239 minutes, 2 secondsAnd I think this is like a fundamental insight from all of your work, Yakov.
39:0639 minutes, 6 secondsJudaism is a wonderful and peace-loving and wise religion and Zionism is a
39:1439 minutes, 14 secondshighly problematic political movement of the of various kinds including Christians and and Jews, but going over
39:2039 minutes, 20 secondsand beyond that. So please everybody, we we ought to love the Jews and and uh and
39:2739 minutes, 27 secondswork on the Zionist issue. Um and never hate anyone in any case. Um please, it it only it only hurts. Um I
39:3639 minutes, 36 secondswould like to thank you both for these wonderful um for these wonderful explanations. Jeffrey Zach, Jakovkin, thank you for your time today. Great. Thank you.
39:4439 minutes, 44 secondsGreat to be with you. Thanks. Bye-bye.

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‘We came to Israel and left from Palestine’: the awakening of young American Jews – Middle East Monitor

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Hundreds of American Jews rallied for a ceasefire in Gaza at the gates of the Democratic National Committee in Washington DC, United States on November 15, 2023 [Celal Güneş – Anadolu Agency]

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The awakening within the American Jewish community about the lies and propaganda they were subjected to as children in advancing the Zionist cause is powerfully told in the documentary, Israelism. It follows two young American Jews, Simone Zimmerman and Eitan (who does not use his last name). Zimmerman went to a Jewish school and lived in Israel on an exchange program, while Eitan joined the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) after graduating high school.

Like so many young American Jews, Zimmerman and Eitan were indoctrinated from a young age to unconditionally love Israel and, like so many of their peers within the Jewish community, the end of their love-affair with the apartheid state is dramatically told in this compelling new documentary. Both join a movement of young American Jews battling the old guard to redefine Judaism’s relationship with Israel, revealing a deepening generational divide over modern Jewish identity.

Indoctrination of young American Jews occurs through programs like “Birthright Israel”. Founded in 1994, it offers a free ten-day heritage trip to Israel, Occupied Jerusalem and the Golan Heights for young adults of Jewish heritage between the ages of 18 and 26.

READ: Remembering the Nakba

While such initiatives ostensibly aim to foster a connection between American Jews and Israel, they sow the seeds of anti-Palestinianism within the Jewish community, according to Zimmerman. She participated in various Jewish programs, including youth groups, camps and exchange programs. Israel is presented as a core element of their Jewish identity. One character in the documentary described trips to Israel as “planting seeds that are eventually going to blossom”.

Some are indoctrinated and radicalised in Jewish summer camps, as Eitan found out. The summer camps play a pivotal role in shaping young minds to believe in the myth about Israel’s status as a miracle in Jewish history. Camp goers are often taught that Israel is the ultimate insurance policy, a safe haven for persecuted Jews. The camps go to great lengths to connect American Jews with Israeli culture, even simulating military experiences.

Young American Jews engage in military drills, spending nights simulating life in the Israeli Occupation Forces. Two paths are presented to continue their service to Israel: either join the Israeli army to serve in the Occupied Territories or become advocates for Israel in US campuses throughout their life. Learning about what is referred to as “the conflict” is part of the programming. It has no bearing on reality and peddles familiar racist tropes about Arabs and Palestinians. Young Jews are equipped with pro-Israel talking points and a conviction to sway public opinion in favour of the apartheid state.

The indoctrination does not end at summer camps; it continues at universities. Representatives from Israel actively engage with American Jewish students, reinforcing the bond between them and Israel. Students are encouraged to join the IDF, with some considering it the “greatest gift” one can give to the youth. The extreme and genocidal vision of a greater Israel, where the entire land of Palestine comes under the control of the occupying state, is instilled in the minds of young Americans.

Are American Jews turning their backs on Israel? MEMO in Conversation with Simone Zimmerman

After witnessing the brutal reality of Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine, Zimmerman and Eitan became aware of the full extent of the lies and propaganda they were subjected to. Eitan began serving in the West Bank after months of training. The goal of his mission, said Eitan, was to intimidate and humiliate Palestinians and to let them know that they are constantly being watched. It became apparent that his role in the Israeli Occupation Forces was to protect the illegal settlements and not the state he was conditioned to have an affinity with. Knowing that Americans moving to the West Bank had more rights than native Palestinians, forced many to question the Zionist narrative.

Eventually, terrorising Palestinians took its moral toll on American Jews, like Eitan. In one of the many moving parts of the documentary, viewers learn how it took many years for him to come to terms with his role in the brutalisation of Palestinians.

Zimmerman underwent an equally inspiring transformation. Like almost every American Jew, she was told that Israel is a core part of her identity. It was reinforced through years of indoctrination in Jewish schools. The Palestinians were never discussed in the story of Israel that young Jews are inducted into. They were led to believe that Palestine was an empty wasteland when the Jews arrived from Europe as part of a settler colonial project.

Zimmerman had no conception of what it meant to be a Palestinian, other than that they are a people who want to kill Jews. Inconsistencies and contradictions between the idealised version of the state of Israel and the reality on the ground pushed Zimmerman onto a path of awakening. She crossed into the Occupied West Bank to discover for herself. Shocked and horrified at the situation – and told since a young age that the only way Jews can be safe is if Palestinians are not safe – Zimmerman discovered just how untrue that was.

While exploring the end of the love-affair between growing numbers of young American Jews and Israel, voices of prominent figures from within the American Jewish community are introduced to explain the phenomena. “We came to Israel and left from Palestine”, is how some Americans have described their journey from Zionism to anti-Zionism.

Despite the growing numbers of American Jews undergoing such transformation, it remains a controversial issue. The likes of Zimmerman are ostracised, demonised and excommunicated by sections of their community. Zimmerman, who became the national Jewish outreach coordinator for US Senator, Bernie Sanders, was forced out from her post following a campaign by prominent pro-Israel figures in the US.

For many, visiting Palestine challenges everything they are taught. Young Jews are angry and asking to know why they have been mobilised in support of Israel on the basis of lies and indoctrination. Zimmerman and Eitan are part of a bigger story about the crises facing the American Jewish community in their support for Israel.

Young American Jews are undergoing a “moral and spiritual awakening” said Cornel West, who was featured in the documentary. Outside of Israel, the new generation of Jews possess the potential to have the greatest influence in changing the brutal reality of Israel’s Occupation of Palestine.

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Birthright Israel - Wikipedia

Birthright Israel - Wikipedia

Birthright Israel

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Taglit-Birthright Israel
Formation1999; 27 years ago
PurposeJewish heritage trip
HeadquartersUnited States
President and CEO
Israel Tapoohi
Chair, Executive Committee
Philip de Toledo
Budget$92.9 million (2023)[1]
Websitebirthrightisrael.com

Taglit-Birthright Israel (Hebrew: תגלית) is a free ten-day heritage trip to Israel, Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights for young adults of Jewish heritage between the ages of 18 and 26. The program is sponsored by the Birthright Israel Foundation, whose donors subsidize participation.

Taglit is the Hebrew word for 'discovery'. During their trip, participants, most of whom are visiting Israel for the first time, are encouraged to discover new meaning in their personal Jewish identity and connection to Jewish history and culture.[2]

Since the program's first trip in 1999, more than 900,000 young Jews from 68 countries in the Jewish diaspora have participated in Birthright Israel.[3] It is the largest educational tourism organization in the world.[4]

Participation in Birthright Israel has been called a rite of passage for young Jews. Pew Research estimated that by 2020, around 20% of American Jews ages 18–46 had participated in Birthright. Birthright has been called the most influential organization in relations between Israel and the Jewish diaspora.

History

Birthright Israel delegation, winter 2012

The Birthright Israel program was founded in 1994 by philanthropists Charles Bronfman and Michael Steinhardt in cooperation with the Israeli government, the Jewish Agency for Israel, and Jewish diaspora communities,[5] with the first program trip in 1999.[6][4] The purpose of Birthright was to strengthen diaspora Jews' connection to Israel and increase a sense of Jewish identity, in response to the 1990 National Jewish Population Survey.[2]

By 2007, annual capacity had increased to 20,000 participants a year.[7] That year, the late Sheldon Adelson pledged $25 million to Birthright Israel to take applicants off waiting lists and to increase annual capacity to 37,000 for 2007 and 2008.[citation needed]

Birthright launched Birthright NEXT in 2007 as a post-trip follow-up program. One NEXT initiative was I.D., in which Birthright Israel alumni would perform monologues based on their experiences.[8] Ultimately, a lack of funding for alumni programs in the face of an increased emphasis on youth Israel trips led NEXT to shut down by 2015.[9][10]

In 2010, Birthright launched an extension program called Birthright Excel.[11] Birthright Excel is a 10-week summer program where students can either create a venture or intern with a business.[12][13]

The number of participants averaged approximately 45,000 per year, with about 80% from the United States and Canada. After peaking at more than 48,000 participants in 2018, only 35,000 participants attended a Birthright Israel trip in 2022. Due to budgetary cuts, only 23,500 participants were anticipated to participate in the program in 2023.[14]

In 2022, Birthright Israel merged with Onward Israel, part of the Jewish Agency, which offers programs for young adults to travel to Israel for 6 to 10 weeks to live, work and study.[15]

In 2023, Birthright had its first second-generation participant.[16]

Since the program's first trip in 1999, more than 900,000 young Jews from 68 countries in the Jewish diaspora have participated in Birthright Israel.[17][18]

Eligibility

To participate, individuals must have at least one parent of recognized Jewish descent or who have converted to Judaism through a recognized Jewish movement, and who do not actively practice another religion. They must also be between the ages of 18 and 26,[19][20] have completed high school, have never traveled to Israel on a peer educational trip or study program after the age of 18, and have not lived in Israel for more than 3 months after the age of 12.[21]

Between 2017 and 2022, Birthright raised the upper age limit for eligibility to 32 to reflect the broader cultural shift of young adults delaying major life decisions like getting married and having children.[22]

Trip organizers

Trips are organized by different organizations and companies accredited by Birthright Israel, which sets the logistical, educational, and security standards. All groups are led by licensed Israeli tour guides and are accompanied by an armed security guard. Tours may vary according to age group and the religious background of the participants. Trips may be geared for graduate students, undergraduates at a particular university, participants from a particular city, participants who identify with a particular stream of Judaism, tours for hiking or music enthusiasts,[23][better source needed] and a diverse array of other interests, such as trips for the LGBTQ community, campus trips and accessibility trips.[24][25]

El Al, Israel's largest airline company, is the major operator of the trips' flights.[26]

Trip details

Archaeological site Tel Gezer with Birthright tourists, February 2013

A Birthright Israel trip lasts for 10 days, including travel to and from Israel. Tours travel throughout Israel and Jerusalem to religious and cultural sites, including the Western Wall and the Dead Sea. Trips also often include a Mega Event for all participants featuring speeches by dignitaries, including the Israeli prime minister,[2] and musical performances by popular Israeli artists.[27]

A Russian Taglit group in Israel, 2008 using their bodies to "write" ТАГЛИТ, the Russian transcription of Taglit

The tours also include a 5- to 10-day mifgash (Hebrew for 'encounter') with Israeli peers, usually soldiers serving in the Israel Defense Forces. The stated purpose for the mifgash is for the participants and the soldiers to get to know each other and to better understand each other's worldview and Jewish identity. Guided discussion sessions explore topics such as the Jewish tradition in the modern world, how Jewish life in Israel differs from Jewish life abroad, and how mandatory military service impacts young Israelis' perceptions of service and commitment to their country.[28] More than 115,000 Israelis have participated in the mifgash program since 2000.[29]

Funding

The cost for each participant, approximately $4,500 as of 2020, is covered by a variety of funding sources. According to Birthright Israel, 67% of funding comes from individual donors, 27% from the Israeli government, 3% from Jewish federations, and 3% from the Jewish Agency.[30]

The program's largest individual donors have included Sheldon Adelson and Miriam Adelson, who gave more than $250 million to Birthright Israel by 2015.[31][32] Other major donors include prominent philanthropists Charles Bronfman, Edgar Bronfman Sr., Daniel Och, Marlene Post, Lynn Schusterman, and Michael Steinhardt. The program also receives funding from the German government through the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany.[7]

Impact and criticism

Impact on Jewish identity

Participation in Birthright Israel has been called a rite of passage for young Jews.[2][33] Pew Research estimated that by 2020, around 20% of American Jews ages 18–46 had participated in Birthright.[34] Birthright has been called the most influential organization in relations between Israel and the Jewish diaspora.[35]

Leonard Saxe of Brandeis University's Cohen Center for Modern Jewish Studies has evaluated the program's impact since its inception in 1999. As of 2020, findings include:[36]

  • Birthright participants were 16 percentage points more likely to have a Jewish partner than similar nonparticipants.
  • Birthright increased participants’ likelihood of engagement in Jewish life.
  • One out of four Birthright participants marry another Birthright participant.[37]

Birthright has been called the most influential organization in relations between Israel and the Jewish diaspora.[35] Sociologist Shaul Kelner of Vanderbilt University described Birthright Israel as a "diaspora-building enterprise" to "ensure the continued existence of vibrant, Israel-oriented Jewish communities abroad".[2]

According to a Pew Research study in 2020, there was an 85% increase in American participants who reported attachment to Israel after the trip, a 54% increase in feelings of belonging to the Jewish people, and a 58% increase in feeling closer to their Israeli counterparts. In addition, there was an 160% increase in participants' desire to have a Jewish spouse.[6]

Criticism

Birthright trips have been described as a form of propaganda.[38] Jewish Currents wrote, "Birthright has served as one of the most effective propaganda campaigns on behalf of the Israeli government and its occupation of the Palestinian territories."[39] The organization has been scrutinized for the large proportion of its funding coming from major Trump and Netanyahu backer Adelson.[33]

In 2006, Salon.com alleged that Birthright Israel screened out applicants for political reasons.[40] Birthright Israel claims it does not ask applicants for their political views.[41]

The pro-Palestinian Jewish Voice for Peace runs a campaign called Return the Birthright, which criticizes the Birthright Israel program and urges young Jews to boycott it, stating: "it's unjust that we get a free Birthright trip, while Palestinian refugees can't return to their homes."[42][43]

In recent years, Birthright has added optional activities involving Israeli Arabs.[33]

Impact on Israeli economy

According to a study by Ernst and Young, Birthright Israel had contributed more than $1.1 billion to the Israeli economy by 2016, including $840 million in hotel, tourism, and flights revenue, and $325 million in participant spending. During the two main period when Birthright trips are operating, Birthright participants make up as many as 12% of tourists in the country.[44]

The cancellation of Birthright and other heritage trips due to COVID-19 cost the Israeli economy $200 million, according to Calcalist.[45]

Inspiration for other heritage trips

Birthright Israel has inspired similar heritage programs for other diasporas, including Birthright Armenia for the Armenian diaspora, ReConnect Hungary for young adults of the Hungarian diaspora in the U.S. and Canada, Birthright Greece for the Greek diaspora, and Domovina Birthright Program for Croatians.[46][47][48] Birthright also loosely inspired CubaOne Foundation for Cuban-Americans and Birthright Africa for young Americans of African descent, which was founded in 2015.[49]

In 2022, college basketball coach Bruce Pearl launched "Birthright for College Basketball," a 10-day trip bringing American college men's basketball teams to Israel. In 2023, the trip included a stop in the UAE.[50]

Notable participants

See also

References

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  2.  Getz, Philip (Fall 2011). "The Birthright Challenge". Jewish Review of Books. Retrieved 13 August 2023.
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