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Nancy Pelosi fires back at Bernie Sanders for comments on Dems' sweeping election loss: No 'respect'

Nancy Pelosi fires back at Bernie Sanders for comments on Dems' sweeping election loss: No 'respect'






Is Bernie Sanders right that Democrats have 'abandoned' the working class?
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How did Democrats -- the party of FDR, Social Security, Medicare and labor unions -- become a party of high-income voters? And how did the party of Trump and Musk win with voters making under $100,000 per year? Bernie Sanders says Democrats have abandoned the working class. Nancy Pelosi disagrees and says it's because of “guns, God and gays." MSNBC's Ayman Mohyeldin explores this fierce debate and is joined by the Working Families Party’s Maurice Mitchell and author Malaika Jabali to discuss.
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Bernie Sanders Stands by His Criticism of Democrats, Shrugging Off Nancy Pelosi: ‘Working People Are Extremely Angry’ | Video
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Bernie Sanders didn’t seem to mourn the potential loss of Nancy Pelosi’s respect Sunday morning on “Meet the Press.” Sanders reiterated his post-election claim that the Democratic Party has “abandoned the working class,” and told host Kristen Welker, “Look, the working people of this country are extremely angry. They have a right to be angry.”

Welker played Sanders a soundbite of Pelosi underscoring her disappointment in his statement. Pelosi said, “Bernie Sanders has not won — let me, with all due respect, and I have a great deal of respect for him, for what he stands for, but I don’t respect him saying that the Democrat Party has abandoned the working-class families.”

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“Well, Nancy’s a friend of mine, and we’ve worked together on many issues,” Sanders began. “But here is the reality I have to say to Nancy. In the Senate, in the last two years, we have not even brought forth legislation to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, despite the fact that some 20 million people in this country are working for less than $15 an hour.”
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“We’re not talking about defined benefit pension plans so that our elderly can retire with security. We’re not talking about lifting the cap on Social Security so that we can extend the solvency on Social Security and raise benefits,” he added. “Bottom line, if you’re an average working person out there, do you really think that the Democratic Party is going to the mat, taking on powerful special interests, and fighting for you? I think the overwhelming answer is no, and that is what has got to change.”

Sanders also insisted that President Biden shoulders much of the blame for Kamala Harris’ loss Tuesday. Biden said he “would be the most progressive president since FDR” ahead of his election, and “the agenda that he has pushed through has been an extraordinarily strong one,” but it hasn’t been enough.

“But that agenda has got to be placed within the overall context of American society today,” Sanders added. “And that American society today is one in which tens of millions of working families and elderly people are struggling while the people on top have never had it so good.”

You can watch the interview with Sen. Sanders in the video above.

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Bernie Sanders responds to Pelosi saying she doesn't 'respect' his criticism of Democrats
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Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said she doesn’t respect Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) saying “that the Democratic Party has abandoned working-class families.” On Meet the Press, Sanders responds.
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Nancy Pelosi fires back at Bernie Sanders for comments on Dems' sweeping election loss: No 'respect'
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Mon, November 11, 2024 at 1:30 AM GMT+10:30
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Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., joined the slew of Democrats taking exception to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' remarks alleging the Democratic Party "abandoned" the working class, resulting in their sweeping loss in last week's election.

"With all due respect, and I have a great deal of respect for him [Sanders], for what he stands for, but I don't respect him saying that the Democratic Party has abandoned the working class families. That's where we are," Pelosi told The New York Times' "The Interview" podcast on Saturday.

She continued, "Under President Biden, you see the rescue package, money in the pockets of people, the shots in the arm, children in school safely, working people back to work. What did Trump do when he was president? One bill that gave a tax cut to the richest people in America."
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Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi critiqued Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' reaction to Democrats' sweeping election loss.

Pelosi's remarks came days after Sanders posted on X that Democrats' loss should "come as no great surprise" after working class voters – first the White working class and then the Latino and Black working classes — looked elsewhere for change.

"While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change, and they're right," he posted in part, calling the campaign "disastrous."

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Sanders, an Independent who typically sides with Democrats, won re-election in the Vermont Senate race last Tuesday, soundly defeating Republican challenger Gerald Malloy at 63.3% to Malloy's 32.1%.
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At the same time, voters handed Democrats several defeats in key House and Senate races. Republicans have flipped the Senate red and are inching closer to maintaining their majority in the House of Representatives.

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President-elect Donald Trump also swept all seven swing states in his decisive victory over Vice President Kamala Harris, a largely unprecedented outcome after polls had long predicted a neck-and-neck race.

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Bunkai
1 day ago
He's right. She's wrong. One prime example is so-called student loan forgiveness. The poor did not go to college or went to community college and likely got financial aid and minor loans if any and all and yet their tax money went to pay this so-called forgiveness otherwise known as theft!


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Chuck
1 day ago
For once Bernie was spot on. The dems could care less about America's working class instead pandering to the 1%.  Pelosi whining about Trump giving tax breaks only to the rich is typical hypocrisy from her.  She's not exactly middle class.


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Jorge
1 day ago
She led the revolt against Biden and now that they got trounced she and many others have to deal with this mess a 1 billion dollar mess...


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Wayne
1 day ago
Majorities of all ethnic groups have been screaming for 2 years about prices and rents. Young people starting families have little chance to afford a home. Democrats just ignored them and said the economy is doing great. Bernie shares blame he pushed the 6 trillion in spending that precipitated inf...

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webzeppelin
9 hours ago
Wrong again, Nancy.  You overlooked the tax cut to businesses that saved tens of thousands of jobs for the working class - and ADDED even more.  


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Blue Cyclone
1 day ago
Nancy, retire already and shut up!  More than enough Americans decided on Trump and felt Kamala was not fit to run the country.  And you can't blame it on the Electoral College being unfair this time.


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charles
1 day ago
It would be great if the American public NEVER heard from her again. 


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Karen
23 hours ago
Students in school safely?

And working people being asked to pay for student loans?

Really?


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shawn
18 hours ago
Nancy talking about respect..she stabbed Biden in the back when he was not useful anymore. She called trump Hitler and a threat to democracy. She don't care all she cares about is power if not why would she still be there. 


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Pharoh
23 hours ago
YOU DO NOT BUILD A COALITION ON MARGINAL NICHES. Making promises and adding protections to smaller groups while helping them, CREATED MAINSTREAM RESENTMENT. D'oh !!!

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Lumbergh
7 hours ago
While you are telling that Trump is a threat to Democracy, remind us again how many people voted for Harris in a Primary Election.


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licia
5 hours ago
Sad that Pelosi continues to be delusional. Maybe she too, like Biden, is having cognitive issues. It was the democratic party itself that are at fault. By confirming Biden for a second run, without giving American's the right to vote for thier chosen candidate, then turning on thier own candidate,...

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michael
1 day ago
Bernie was correct. Nancy is just an old senile woman who broke insider trading laws. I hope Trump rings her


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skepticviewer
9 hours ago
Pelosi is a big part of the Dems  problem.Time for her to retire.


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Michael
1 day ago
obama is to blame for the loss. 


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Michael
1 day ago
it's all pelopsy fault to loose the election


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Rob
1 day ago
We have Pelosi to thank for making such a big deal out of Trump. It was her leading the charge to do anything and everything to destroy him that made him stronger and won people over.

Then she forced Biden out to get her California cohort elected and it backfired.  I’ve never been so happy with Pelo...

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marcy
5 hours ago
Democrats are not the party of the employed. They are the party of taxing Americans to death. 


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neverdem
8 hours ago
even though he's a communist, I can at least respect Sanders...pelosi gets no respect, only disdain


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ginshun
2 hours ago
There is literally no other person in Congress that is further removed from or more out of touch with working class people than Nancy "my husband has made millions insider trading" Pelosi.


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edward self
1 hour ago
I agree with Bernie now look where we are at now.


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MUTATED Voodoo GMO cow
17 hours ago
Now she attacking Bernie?

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Ken
6 hours ago
West coast politicians are out of touch about what America is. Pelosi herself is a lot of the problem. Many people she refers going back to work never sat home during the pandemic. They worked through it. Nancy your time to shine is over, you are not relevant anymore.


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Tony
3 hours ago
Bernie should have joined her in retirement. His advice as to what went wrong was the democrats weren't far left enough. Right. LOL


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miller
22 hours ago
Watching these old democrats go at it reminds me of going to the dog fights back in the day 

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john
2 hours ago
Only in Kalifornia and New York to Socialists like Pelosi keep getting rubber stamped to stay in DC each election.


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wes
5 hours ago
It’s hilarious..democrats have been too afraid to voice their opinions..Trump gave them their voices back to speak up against the far left..Trump for the win again..now half of them say boys are playing girls sports and don’t like it, instead of calling them real girls..and that’s just one issue they disagree on..they shouldn’t have been cowards..they might have had a chance 


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m
1 hour ago
You ever wonder why Pelosi is never mentioned for a presidential candidate?  Yeah me either.  


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JOHN
4 hours ago
She repeated a bunch of untrue narratives. When is she going to go away? A real poster child for what is wrong in DC.


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shawn
6 hours ago
Well when trump left we where in COVID time. A few years of Biden presidency COVID time was still here did not get to see when COVID time was over under trump but now we will. 


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Michael
5 hours ago
🤣 The working class to Nancy is her stock broker. She would never abandon her broker.


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BILLL
4 hours ago
Nancy Pelosi should talk she is the worst Congress woman in Congress, Just think her husband was a stock broker and she made so much money because she new what the stock was going to do look at her record


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Barbara
3 hours ago
She showed no respect when she tore Donald's speech up the first time he was elected. Double standards? lol!


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Mr.Murder
18 hours ago
When Bernie dragged Hillary opposing her campaign past nomination he said we should vote for conservative judges in purple states and guess who helped with Judicial decisions in redistricting Blue States and not Red ones. Oh, and about abortion when St.Bern said those same judges would be ok.....


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Vida Blue
3 hours ago
Bernie Sanders is the only real politician in America. 

He is the only one who gets it. 


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bdr
1 hour ago
Pelosi , the one who did it.


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shawn
6 hours ago
Nancy only cares about power this just proves it. 


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ken
6 hours ago
I don't know why they both want the destruction of this country


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dave
13 minutes ago
all about credentials.  who has been consistenly for the working class and who comes from an insulated area in San Francisco cut off from real people? 


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RunawayBrain
4 hours ago
Two Liberal old geysers yelling at each other. Now that's hilarious. Somebody's gonna break a cane! The guys in the white suits from the nursing home probably had to come out and break it up.  


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linda
4 hours ago
Uh Oh, The Little Nanzi Pelosi Is Getting Testy---------


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yellowmoose
7 hours ago
Pelosi is a old wrinkled crow, cawing at everybody and every thing


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USC David
3 hours ago
"No respect." Says this classless piece of gxrbage...

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Neil
9 hours ago
Pelosi, you're the odd man out. You are useless now. Go away.


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Kim
4 hours ago
Nancy you have zero respect for anybody


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Kent
7 hours ago
I love having a front row seat at watching democrats eating other democrats. Keep it up guys. 

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Pharoh
23 hours ago
Ahhh, how many of the working class VOTE ??

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R.Alan
5 hours ago
"Nancy Pelosi hails & praises Bernie Sanders for comments on Dems' sweeping election loss: I 'respect his astute observations about obtuse Democrats being losers on every issue known to man. Did you know I got all of my liver spots and a bad case of piles after I took one look at Donald'"


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randal
3 hours ago
The old battle axe at it again 


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Pete_it
7 hours ago
mid terms coming     orange man will not keep his words


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Linda
7 hours ago
I hate tRUMP won but Nancy DO NOT blame Biden!!!


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The
5 hours ago
Two loserssss!


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Infidel
24 minutes ago
Pelosi is Trash


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Bernie Sanders slams Democrats for 'abandoning working-class people'

Bernie Sanders slams Democrats for 'abandoning working-class people'

'The American people are angry and want change': Bernie Sanders slams Democrats for loss
Anthony Robledo
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Sen. Bernie Sanders is blaming the Democratic Party after Vice President Kamala Harris lost to now President-elect Donald Trump and Republicans gained control of the Senate.

In a statement shared on social media Wednesday, the U.S. senator from Vermont said party leadership must have "serious political discussions" about Latino and Black workers voting for Republican candidates.

"It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them," Sanders wrote. "While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right."

Sanders, 83, highlighted several issues he believes the nation has failed to address under the Biden-Harris Administration, from wealth inequality and a worsening standard of living to high prescription drug prices and the lack of guaranteed medical leave.

Though he is an Independent, Sanders caucuses with the Democratic Party, and has long championed policies like Medicare for All and a higher federal minimum wage.

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Sanders defeats Republican Gerald Malloy in Vermont race

Sanders' statement comes a day after he won a fourth Senate term on Election Day, defeating Republican challenger Gerald Malloy, 62, and securing another six years in Washington.

He joined the Senate in 2007 after being elected in to the U.S. House in 1991. He has previously run for president in 2016 and 2020.

Malloy, a former U.S. Army officer and business executive from Perkinsville, Vermont, campaigned as a staunch conservative. Originally from Boston, he graduated West Point in 1984 and holds a graduate degree from Temple University.

The outcome was widely anticipated in a state that hasn't elected a Republican U.S. Senator since 2000. Malloy, 62, had previously run for the Senate in 2022 and lost to Democrat Peter Welch.

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It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them. First, it was the white working class, and now it is the Latino and Black workers as well.


While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they're right.

Today, while the very rich are doing phenomenally well, 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and we have more income and wealth inequality than ever before. Unbelievably, real, inflation-accounted-for weekly wages for the average American worker are actually lower now than they were 50 years ago.

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Today, despite an explosion in technology and worker productivity, many young people will have a worse standard of living than their parents. And many of them worry that Artificial Intelligence and robotics will make a bad situation even worse.

Today, despite spending far more per capita than other countries, we remain the only wealthy nation not to guarantee health care to all as a human right and we pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. We, alone among major countries, cannot even guarantee paid family and medical leave.




Today, despite strong opposition from a majority of Americans, we continue to spend billions funding the extremist Netanyahu government's all out war against the Palestinian people which has led to the horrific humanitarian disaster of mass malnutrition and the starvation of thousands of children.

Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from his disaster campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.


In the coming weeks and months those of concerned about grassroots democracy and economic justice need to have some very serious political discussions.

Stay tuned.

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Bernie Sanders: Democrats shouldn't be surprised middle class 'abandoned' its 'disastrous campaign' for Trump | Fortune

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Independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders isn’t surprised by the results of the 2024 presidential election.



In a statement after the race was called for President-elect Donald Trump, the longtime progressive lawmaker issued a scathing rebuke of the Democratic party, saying it has abandoned “working-class” voters.

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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders wrote in a statement. “While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”


“Will the big money interest and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from his disastrous campaign?” Sanders added later in the statement. “Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”


Sanders went on to call for those who are passionate about “grassroots democracy” and “economic justice” to have “serious political discussions” in the coming weeks and months following the election.

On Tuesday, Trump swept multiple battleground states that Biden won in 2020 as supporters, especially young men, turned out in large numbers. The shift echoes Bernie Sanders’ strong appeal to this demographic in 2016, despite Sanders’ more progressive platform.

Sanders has long championed policies aimed at supporting the working class, from advocating for a $15 minimum wage to pushing for universal healthcare, making him a natural ally for voters frustrated with economic inequality. While he ultimately endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris for president in July, Sanders had initially withheld his support, seeking commitments from Harris on progressive issues important to the working class first.

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We speak with historian Robin D. G. Kelley about the roots of Donald Trump’s election victory and the decline of Democratic support among many of the party’s traditional constituencies. Kelley says he agrees with Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who said Democrats have “abandoned” working-class people. “There was really no program to focus on the actual suffering of working people across the board,” Kelley says of the Harris campaign. He says the highly individualistic, neoliberal culture of the United States makes it difficult to organize along class lines and reject the appeal of authoritarians like Trump. “Solidarity is what’s missing — the sense that we, as a class, have to protect each other.”
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NERMEEN SHAIKH: Kamala Harris has conceded to Donald Trump after the former president pulled off an overwhelming victory Tuesday to send him back to the White House. On Wednesday, Harris spoke at Howard University.


VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I will never give up the fight for a future where Americans can pursue their dreams, ambitions and aspirations, where the women of America have the freedom to make decisions about their own body and not have their government telling them what to do. We will never give up the fight to protect our schools and our streets from gun violence. And, America, we will never give up the fight for our democracy, for the rule of law, for equal justice and for the sacred idea that every one of us, no matter who we are or where we start out, has certain fundamental rights and freedoms that must be respected and upheld.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: That was Kamala Harris giving her concession speech on Wednesday.

The Democratic Party is in a state of crisis after Trump expanded his support across the country and Republicans also regained control of the Senate. Republicans may also keep control of the House.

AMY GOODMAN: On Wednesday, independent Senator Bernie Sanders blasted the Democratic Party. In a statement, Sanders said, quote, “It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right,” Sanders said.

To talk more about Tuesday’s election, we’re joined by Robin D. G. Kelley, professor of history at UCLA, who studies social movements. He’s author of many books, including Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination.

Professor Kelley, it’s great to have you back with us. If you can start off by talking about Donald Trump’s major victory, I mean, sweeping the country, actually winning the popular vote, as well as what looks like the Electoral College vote, Harris winning far fewer millions of votes than President Biden did in 2020? Though some Democrats, for example, Elissa Slotkin in Michigan, polled much higher and won, she did not get those same votes. And end by talking about what Democratic Senator Sanders is saying, that the Democratic Party has abandoned the working class.

ROBIN D. G. KELLEY: Right. Let’s begin with Senator Sanders. He’s absolutely right. The Democratic Party abandoned the working class. Kamala Harris ran on a ticket of moving toward the right, you know, shifting, pivoting toward the right, bragging that Liz Cheney is endorsing her. And so, there was really no program to focus on the actual suffering of working people across the board. That’s true.

Now, when we think about 2024 compared to 2020, I’m not sure that Trump’s victory is so historic. Trump would have won in 2020 had it not been for the uprisings that emerged out of the George Floyd murder. The wind was behind the Democratic Party, even though the Democratic Party didn’t earn that wind. And so, I think that’s a factor.

The other factor is that the country is moving toward the right, and the working class, or working classes, feel really disaffected and abandoned. They feel abandoned, I believe, for a couple of reasons. One, because whatever the numbers said about the shifting economy, the fact of the matter is that people are still dealing with inflation, with joblessness, with insecurity. But the second thing — and this goes back to an article I published back in 2016 — we also have, you know, a deeply racist, Islamophobic, xenophobic nation. And that runs through. I mean, when you look at the demographics, white men consistently vote for Trump. White women, of course, it was a slight shift, but the shift wasn’t that radical. I mean, I don’t trust exit polls, but it’s amazing how many white women supported Trump. It’s amazing how much of the message of fascism actually did tap into a deep insecurity, a deep fear, and the fact that deportation is the dominant message that has drawn working people.

So I really want to talk about the question of class, which I think is most important. We have a class that’s suffering, but we don’t have a class that thinks of itself as a class. If we had a class that thought of itself as a class, then working people would say, “We refuse deportation. We refuse racism. We refuse transphobia,” because that’s what the class does. Solidarity is what’s missing — the sense that we, as a class, you know, have to protect each other. Trump is seen as the person who can fix things, the person who represents the CEO who could step in and solve problems in a culture in which the only solidarity we’re seeing, the primary solidarity, is coming from the capitalist class, you know? So, I’m not sure that there’s such a radical shift from 2016 to 2020 to 2024. It’s a failure of the Democratic Party. And even under Biden, the Democratic Party actually pivoted a little bit toward labor, in a way that the Harris campaign did not.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Well, I’d like to go to former Ohio state Senator Nina Turner, who we spoke to last week. She served as co-chair of independent Senator Bernie Sanders’ 2020 presidential campaign.


NINA TURNER: I think, over time, the Democratic Party lost its way in terms of just talking to working-class voters. And I mean from all identities, because sometimes when we say “working class,” people assume we’re just talking about white men. I’m talking about working-class people from all walks of life. And my state, you know, CAFTA, NAFTA, this happened over time. It didn’t just happen in one fell swoop. It happened over decade after decade after decade. But those trade deals definitely decimated Midwestern states like mine and really hurt a lot of workers.


And then working-class people from all backgrounds do not necessarily see themselves. They feel like elitism has taken over for both parties, but especially in the Democratic Party. And so, when you don’t see yourself in a party, you decide that you want to go another way.


And then, more recently — when I say “recently,” certainly over the almost four years — as people were suffering the effects of COVID, trying to — we were all trying to break out of it, inflation very high, the cost of groceries high, the cost of gas high, all of those material condition elements. The Democratic Party denied that, and they trotted out Bidenomics, and they turned their backs on people and made it seem as though the pain points that the big mamas and big papas were feeling were not necessarily real. You cannot do that.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: So, Robin Kelley, that was Ohio state Senator Nina Turner. If you could respond to what she said and put it in the context of what you mentioned earlier, namely the absence of working-class cohesion, and what that meant for this election? And why, in fact, why do you think there is an absence of cohesion among the working class in the U.S.?

ROBIN D. G. KELLEY: Right. No, I think — I totally agree with what Nina Turner said. This is where we are right now.

The absence of cohesion has to do with the general — two things, I think. One, the general absence of solidarity in a long-standing kind of neoliberal culture where people are taught to solve their own problems, a kind of deep individualism, and that corporate interests are the only ones — in other words, private interests are the ones that can solve your problem. Government is a problem. Government gets in the way. This is the kind of discourse that we’ve been seeing for at least three, four decades.

And so, even though we see amazing developments in the labor movement with the UAW, we see discussions and talk of solidarity — the Boeing strike, for example — but in terms of those who are either unorganized or at the sort of edges of a concierge economy that is no longer based in high-wage manufacturing, what ends up happening, it’s almost impossible to organize people and to think as a class. You know, the Amazon strike in Bessemer is a really good example of what could have been, but how the combination of fear, insecurity and the failure to really think of solidarity — in other words, the care for our neighbor, the care for those who are not us but maybe we share the same class, that sense of solidarity, that Audre Lorde talks about at the beginning of my piece, that’s missing. And we haven’t done the work, the political education work, to build that sense of cohesion.

But the other thing that I think is really important is this belief that if we — that we can one day become Trump. In other words, wealth, entrepreneurship, the striving for success, the fact that a lot of these Senate campaigns where seats were overturned, they were won by billionaires and millionaires, you know? I mean, that’s significant.

And one other thing I should add is that, you know, we could look at this at the presidential level; we could also look at it at the local level. I’m here in L.A. in what’s supposed to be the Left Coast, California, where we just had propositions that failed, a proposition to end forced prison labor, a proposition to raise the minimum wage, a proposition for rent control, you know, a proposition that actually — the one proposition that did win was one that will deeply criminalize and expand sentences for petty crimes. This is in L.A., you see? This is California.

So we’re moving toward the right. And somehow the right, for many people, is attractive. And we have to figure out why it’s attractive. And if we don’t think of ourselves as a class, a class with power, a class in which the state could be the lever of equality rather than deep inequality, then we’re going to be stuck supporting Trumps for the rest — for generations.

AMY GOODMAN: Yeah, it’s very interesting on the issue of prison labor and a ballot initiative there. When we were out in California interviewing prisoner firefighters who got a pittance a day, they were pushing for earlier release, but they didn’t get it often because it provided a prisoner labor force for the wildfires that plague California. But I wanted to ask you about the extremism of Trump, when he was talking about — or, you know, at the Madison Square Garden rally, of course, that Puerto Rico is an “island of garbage.” He would later called that whole rally a “lovefest,” you know, referring to women as the B-word, and, of course, how he deals with immigrants. But there’s a very interesting comment of writer Meg Indurti, who tweeted, “if you are someone who was able to overlook the genocide and cast a vote for kamala harris, then you already understand how a conservative was able to overlook Trump’s extremism to vote for him.” Can you comment on this? Robin Kelley, you talk a lot about the working class and the working poor. You also have written extensively about Gaza.

ROBIN D. G. KELLEY: Right, right. Yeah, I mean, one of the questions that came up, my students were posing this question to me the other day: What would have happened had the U.S. actually stopped supporting Israel, like in November or December of last year? What would have happened? I think the Democrats could have won. You know, we overestimate the power of the Israeli lobby, because in some ways Democrats are looking for dollars, not necessarily votes. And so, imagine what would have happened had there been this refusal to send arms to Israel. There would be no — the war would have ended. There wouldn’t be an escalation of the war. And part of the attraction of Trump, ironically, is this belief, this kind of — it’s kind of a myth, but still this belief that under Trump there were no wars. And so, here we have possibly three different wars going on at once under the Democrats. And you could see how that would generate some fear.

But to go back to the question of the extremism and elites, you know, toxic masculinity is a huge factor. The buildup coming from right-wing state legislatures to attack the curriculum, to attack DEI, to attack trans people at every single level, here we are dealing with an extremism that is actually palpable and that I could see how elites, some elites on the right, those who actually have drafted Project 2025, would support these policies. So, in some ways, what we keep calling fascism, which I agree is fascism, is pretty mainstream among the Project 2025 people, pretty mainstream among the MAGA Republicans. And the Republican Party is a MAGA party. Whatever the old bourgeoisie of the kind of older neoliberal order, whatever they think, they’re either going to go with the program or they’re going to do what they did, support Harris and Walz. And that didn’t work out for them.

So, I mean, I’m actually terrified by a future in which the kind of violence of the settler-colonial mentality, which was always there, has escalated and become normalized in a way. And let’s remember that the history of fascism is filled with supporters who themselves are targets of fascism. We have examples of that, you know, historically. So, you know, it’s hard — so we can’t just assume that because there’s an uptick in, say, the Latino vote in support for Trump, that somehow that’s an example of Trumpism’s multiculturalism, because it’s still white supremacy and patriarchy.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: So, Robin Kelley, I just want to go back for a second to the point that you made earlier about those ballot measures. Why do you think those ballot measures were rejected? How did they get on the ballot to begin with? And then, is that related at all to the fact that, you know, the Democrats have come under massive criticism for, after 2016, after the Clinton election, basically finding ways to blame everybody but themselves? Is there a risk that that’s going to happen again?

ROBIN D. G. KELLEY: Yes, I think there is a risk.

As far as the propositions, California is a conservative state. You know, it has been. It has produced some of the most conservative governors. It is the home of the origins of the John Birch Society. You know, this is a conservative state. So, it didn’t surprise me too much, although California is also a state that has, you know, had basically the biggest, for a long time, or at least second-largest prison population in the country. And so, some of these initiatives came from imprisoned people themselves, came from abolitionists. The struggle for a minimum wage came from an organized labor movement. But there’s still deep anti-immigrant sentiment here in California, deep anti-labor sentiment. And keep in mind that rent control has been consistently beat down since 1995. And why? Because some of the same elites who gave money to the Harris campaign are also absentee or venture capitalists who own a lot of property, and they’re trying to profit off of them.

The Democrats, I mean, you know, I don’t have an answer to that, except for the fact that we can’t keep relying on the Democratic Party. I mean, it’s been — it’s so bankrupt. I think what Ralph Nader said yesterday is absolutely true. We need something else. You know, if not a real third party, I think Reverend William Barber has an answer, and that is to build from the bottom up, to build from low-wage workers, because that’s the vast majority of the people. But we can’t do this until we actually think of ourselves as a community, a beloved community, as a class that struggles with each other against corporate interests.

AMY GOODMAN: And we will be speaking with Reverend Barber tomorrow, so people should tune in. And Ralph Nader’s comments on Democracy Now! just exploded yesterday, so people can check them out at democracynow.org. Robin D. G. Kelley, thank you so much for being with us, professor of history at UCLA who studies social movements, author of many books, including Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination.

Coming up, we go to speak with Fatima Bhutto on what Trump’s election means for the world.

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