Defamation (film)
| Defamation | |
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| השמצה | |
| Directed by | Yoav Shamir |
| Produced by | Sandra Itkoff Karoline Leth Philippa Kowarsky Knut Ogris |
| Distributed by | First Run Features |
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Running time | 91 minutes |
| Country | Israel |
| Languages | English Hebrew |
Defamation (Hebrew: השמצה; translit. Hashmatsa) is a 2009 documentary film by Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. It examines antisemitism, the way perceptions of antisemitism affect Israeli and U.S. politics, and explores the suggestion that claims of antisemitism are exaggerated or weaponized to stifle dissent against Israel. A major focus of the film is the Anti-Defamation League.(ADL) Defamation won Best Documentary Feature Film at the 2009 Asia Pacific Screen Awards.
Content
The film examines whether anti-Semitic has become an all purpose label for anyone who criticizes Israel and the idea that some Jews' preoccupation with the past—i.e., the Holocaust—is preventing progress today.[1] Shamir decided to make Defamation after a critic of an earlier film accused him of antisemitism.[1]
Filmmaker Yoav Shamir states in the beginning of the film that as an Israeli he has never experienced antisemitism himself and wants to learn more about it since references to antisemitism in countries all over the world are common in the Israeli media.
The film includes interviews with Abraham Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation League, John J. Mearsheimer, co-author of New York Times best seller The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Norman Finkelstein, a critic of Israeli government policy, as well as many other individuals. Defamation follows a group of Israeli high school students on a class trip to Poland where they tour Auschwitz, as well as a number of other notable Holocaust locations.
The film says that in 2007, the ADL reported a spike in antisemitism, claiming that there were 1,500 anti-Semitic incidents in the United States, yet when Shamir contacts the ADL they can only list minor incidents such as websites with inflammatory comments, letters from employees denied time off for a Jewish holiday, or people offended by a cop's use of the word "Jew." A case presented concerns about a group of African American boys, ages between 10 and 12, who pelted a school bus with rocks, breaking two windows.
Shamir interviews a rabbi who says that the hypervigilance of the ADL inflames relations between Jews and non-Jews in the United States. He finds that among his interviewees there is more sensitivity to antisemitism among secular Jews than religious ones.[1][2]
Reception
After it was screened at the Tribeca Film Festival, the Anti-Defamation League's Abraham Foxman issued a statement denouncing the film, stating that it "belittles the issue (of antisemitism) ... and cheapens the Holocaust. It is Shamir's perverse, personal, political perspective and a missed opportunity to document a serious and important issue."[3]
The New York Times reviewer Neil Genzlinger states that while these ideas deserve a thorough and dispassionate discussion, Shamir has not provided it: "...it feels like just another day on the Op-Ed page."[4]
The Boston Globe reviewer Ty Burr wrote "Unlike many agit-docs, Defamation wants to get you thinking, and it knows the epithet "self-hating Jew" can be used as a club by those who don't want you to think at all." His review was positive, highlighting how the film argues that raising "Israelis to define themselves as a nation of victims...is a disservice to modern complexities — and, not coincidentally, makes it almost impossible to see any other people as victims."[5]
The review in the Los Angeles Times praised the documentary for showing "how accusations of anti-Semitism can easily be exploited for political purposes."[6] The reviewer commended the filmmaker for his fairness writing that "even though Defamation, which is sprinkled with unexpected moments of wry humor, will be inescapably controversial, Yoav Shamir strives admirably to be evenhanded."[6]
In an interview for The Jerusalem Post about criticism on the film, Shamir said: "At the end of Defamation both Finkelstein and Foxman were cross with me. I felt like I did a good job".[7]
References
- Curiel, Jonathan (November 15, 2009). "Yoav Shamir draws flak for film 'Defamation'". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved December 18, 2017.
- Taylor, Ella. "Exploring The Politics Of 'Defamation'". National Public Radio.
- Foxman, Abraham (January 27, 2010). "Opinion: The ADL's statement on Defamation". The Guardian.
- Genzlinger, Neil (November 20, 2009). "The Past in the Present". The New York Times. Retrieved February 16, 2022.
- Burr, Ty (December 4, 2009). "'Defamation' covers heated ground". The Boston Globe. Archived from the original on June 3, 2012. Retrieved November 14, 2011.
- Thomas, Kevin (November 20, 2009). "Exploring issues of anti-Semitism". Los Angeles Times.
- Marder, Rachel (December 6, 2011). "What makes a hero?". Jerusalem Post.
External links
- Official website at the Wayback Machine (archived 2009-02-20)
- Defamation at IMDb
- Defamation from First Run Features.com
- Defamation from Hartley Film Foundation
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요아브 샤미르 감독의 2009년 다큐멘터리 영화 <명예훼손>(Defamation)에 대한 요약과 평론을 작성했습니다.
요약 및 평론: 무기화된 기억과 피해자 의식의 계보학
이스라엘 감독 요아브 샤미르의 2009년 작 다큐멘터리 <명예훼손>은 반유대주의라는 민감한 화두를 정면으로 다룬다.
이 영화의 핵심 문제의식은 반유대주의라는 담론이 비판을 봉쇄하는 정치적 도구로 오용되고 있지 않은가 하는 의문이다.
특히 주목할 만한 부분은 폴란드로 수학여행을 떠나는 이스라엘 고등학생들의 여정이다.
영화에 대한 평가는 극단으로 갈린다. 당사자인 ADL의 폭스먼은 홀로코스트를 격하시키는 왜곡된 시각이라며 격분했고, 뉴욕타임스는 깊이 있는 논쟁 대신 오피니언 면의 단편적인 주장처럼 느껴진다고 비판했다.
양측 모두에게 비판받았다는 사실 자체가 감독이 어느 한쪽에 치우치지 않고 객관적 거리를 유지하려 노력했음을 방증한다.
혹시 이 다큐멘터리와 관련하여 더 깊이 논해보고 싶으신 인물이나 주제가 있으신가요? 편하게 말씀해 주세요, 세진님.
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Categories:
- 2009 films
- 2009 English-language films
- 2009 Hebrew-language films
- 2009 Israeli films
- Israeli documentary films
- 2009 documentary films
- Documentary films about antisemitism
- Documentary films about Jews and Judaism
- Documentary films about Israel
- Films directed by Yoav Shamir
- Anti-Defamation League
- 2009 multilingual films
- Israeli multilingual films
- Norman Finkelstein
- English-language documentary films
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Defamation
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Intent on shaking up the ultimate ‘sacred cow’ for Jews, Israeli director Yoav Shamir embarks on a provocative – and at times irreverent – quest to answer the question, “What is anti-Semitism today?” Does it remain a dangerous and immediate threat? Or is it a scare tactic used by right-wing Zionists to discredit their critics?
Speaking with an array of people from across the political spectrum (including the head of the Anti-Defamation League and its fiercest critic, author Norman Finkelstein) and traveling to places like Auschwitz (alongside Israeli school kids) and Brooklyn (to explore reports of violence against Jews), Shamir discovers the realities of anti-Semitism today. His findings are shocking, enlightening and - surprisingly - often wryly funny.
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Transcript
0:088 seconds[Music]
0:1515 secondsyou know what I'm making the film about no about anti-Semitism anti-Semitism what's that mean it means when people hate the
0:2424 secondsJewish people no way man the Jewish people control the world
0:3131 secondsyeah of
0:3333 seconds[Music]
0:4040 secondscourse being an Israeli Jew I have never experienced anti-Semitism myself but it's a phrase that always seems to be in
0:4747 secondsthe air
0:5252 seconds[Music]
1:011 minute, 1 secondthree words seem to appear over and over again Holocaust
1:081 minute, 8 secondsNazi anti-Semitism living in a country that was founded to give the Jewish people a safe place to live in I found this
1:161 minute, 16 secondsreally disturbing so I decided I wanted to learn more about the
1:241 minute, 24 secondssubject ladies and gentlemen this is Abe foxman the head and face of the anti-deformation league
1:321 minute, 32 secondsI have been um lucky to have survived by Miracle
1:391 minute, 39 secondstheah very nice the ADL is the biggest organization in the world fighting anti-Semitism with
1:481 minute, 48 secondsa budget of over $70 million a year Abe foxman has become the symbol of the fight against anti-Semitism in the world
1:561 minute, 56 secondstoday I thought he might be able to open some doors for me so I asked him to help me out with my
2:032 minutes, 3 secondsfilm a foxman was very welcoming I think he liked the idea of an Israeli filmmaker taking an interest in
2:102 minutes, 10 secondsanti-Semitism and he agreed to give me unprecedented access to his organization which has its headquarters in
2:172 minutes, 17 secondsManhattan he's doing a film which I still don't understand what it is but but we said yes yes and yes you're on
2:242 minutes, 24 secondsthe record got it okay I'll be good okay he's not going to hurt us great on the other hand he's a he's a good journalist okay he
2:322 minutes, 32 secondswants to get you know good stuff foxman introduced me to some of the senior staff at the headquarters you can talk to him
2:402 minutes, 40 secondstoo would you say the ADL is like the biggest Jewish organization dealing with anti-Semitism oh yes yes in in the world
2:482 minutes, 48 secondsyeah there's no question about that yeah certainly in the United States but I would say in the world we have all of our 27 offices all over the country with
2:572 minutes, 57 secondstheir ears to the railroad tracks it starts with an insult a denigrating statement and at the very top what it is
3:053 minutes, 5 secondswhat you have is genocide and in between is every bad thing that can happen to
3:133 minutes, 13 secondssomebody this is my grandmother she's over 90 years old and she lives in Jerusalem I decided to tell her about
3:223 minutes, 22 secondsthe film I am making
3:413 minutes, 41 secondsfor her family immigrated from Russia in the 19th century because of the strong Zionist ideology the first Zionist came
3:483 minutes, 48 secondsto Israel or Palestine as it was then because they thought it was the only solution to
3:583 minutes, 58 secondsanti-semitism for
4:494 minutes, 49 secondsspee fore
4:584 minutes, 58 secondsspe foree
5:525 minutes, 52 secondstens of thousands of Israel high school students fly to Poland each year to learn firsthand about the Holocaust the worst genocide in human history and the
6:016 minutes, 1 secondmost terrible result of anti-Semitism when I was in high school in the late 80s there were less than 500
6:096 minutes, 9 secondskids going on this trip in the whole country today there are more than 30,000
6:216 minutes, 21 seconds[Music]
6:416 minutes, 41 secondsI decided to join them on their journey and their initial preparation which takes place in
6:586 minutes, 58 secondsYad for
7:497 minutes, 49 secondsthe kids are going through a longer preparation for the trip to Poland the school counselor is in charge of their mental
7:587 minutes, 58 secondspreparation
8:288 minutes, 28 secondsfor
8:558 minutes, 55 seconds[Music]
8:588 minutes, 58 secondsfore
9:229 minutes, 22 secondsfor it's a fake Y is the most popular and influential newspaper in Israel I'm
9:309 minutes, 30 secondscurious about the people behind the reports of anti-Semitism I read on a daily basis and
10:2510 minutes, 25 secondsis
10:3610 minutes, 36 seconds[Music]
10:5810 minutes, 58 secondsNoah is over 80 years old and is making sure that the future generation of reporters will be just as committed as
11:0411 minutes, 4 secondshe is
11:0911 minutes, 9 seconds[Music]
11:2911 minutes, 29 seconds[Music]
11:3611 minutes, 36 secondsthe headline in the Israeli paper was quite worrying I wanted to see how the anti-deformation league actually fights anti-Semitism where the hell is
11:4411 minutes, 44 secondshe where is everybody where's the secretary they're coming in now thank you they're going to
11:5211 minutes, 52 secondscome in thank you hello hello have a seat and say hello introduce yourself Joel
12:0212 minutes, 2 secondsLey hello yav yav very nice to meet you let me give you a card thank you okay
12:1012 minutes, 10 secondsno you don't have to button your why not the working session um okay so it's working so the reason I I'm asked to sit
12:1912 minutes, 19 secondswith both of you is um what looks like a spike in uh anti-semitic and
12:2712 minutes, 27 secondsracist um activities or or manifestations now New York seems to be
12:3512 minutes, 35 secondsat the center or at least getting the attention how where do you see it how do you see it well I've had a lot of meetings with the police department and
12:4312 minutes, 43 secondslast week with the mayor talk about this there is a wave there's no question about it I don't know if it's attached to the time of the year I maybe attached
12:5212 minutes, 52 secondsto the presidential election I'm I'm not quite sure why we're saying it here you have enough resources to to deal with
12:5912 minutes, 59 secondsthe all the stuff no no no no no we're flooded every day with these things all over the country it's a very big problem
13:0713 minutes, 7 secondscoulding to the ADL reports from the last couple of years the average number of anti-Semitic incidents in the US is
13:1313 minutes, 13 secondsaround 1,500 a year I'm hoping Joy Levy can help me find a case I'll be able to follow what you like to do is to follow
13:2113 minutes, 21 secondsa case I understand yeah you know every film need like a drive once we have like a a Cas that we can follow so that that
13:2913 minutes, 29 secondswould be great we're going over the fresh data collected over the last couple of weeks to see if there's anything I will be able to film we have
13:3813 minutes, 38 secondsreceived in the last week or so um someone who employment case someone
13:4613 minutes, 46 secondswho um didn't didn't uh wasn't able to take days off for the holiday um someone
13:5513 minutes, 55 secondswho um is a school teacher and wanted to off for Shu someone who was a nursing
14:0214 minutes, 2 secondsstudent and had some issues with taking time off as well as we're taking time off um we also got a phone call from
14:1114 minutes, 11 secondssomeone who was complaining about a website that had anti-semitic um remarks on it uh somebody who was complaining about an
14:1914 minutes, 19 secondsarticle in the newspaper who they thought had anti-s had anti-semitic undertones
14:2514 minutes, 25 secondsum and I mean that seems to be round and that's what we've had in the last two weeks those those are the kinds of incidents that we've had recently five
14:3414 minutes, 34 secondsin two weeks so there's no way to predict there wasn't anything suitable from the last two weeks so Jo Levy tries to help me to
14:4314 minutes, 43 secondsfind a case what they're looking for is an incident that they might be able and they will do all the contact work but an incident they might be able to follow to
14:5114 minutes, 51 secondsactually see something that has happened to go to the site to talk to people there to show what has happened the impact on them how we interact with all
14:5914 minutes, 59 secondsof that and so on assemblyman hickin has a lot of Jewish voters in Brooklyn and he suggested a case for
15:0815 minutes, 8 secondsme you know I had a very interesting case um just last week a woman went to a
15:1515 minutes, 15 secondsfuneral in not too far from here thousands of people and she heard a police officer on the phone say
15:2315 minutes, 23 secondssomething to someone else something very derogatory about the Jew something to somebody this woman was at the funeral
15:3115 minutes, 31 secondsshe heard this she was so upset she wrote me a letter I I could show you the letter and she called
15:4015 minutes, 40 secondsme yeah yeah yeah okay is this the only letter yeah okay you want me to read part of it
15:4915 minutes, 49 secondsyou actually you could look at it uh I overheard a very disturbing conversation that a policeman had on his cell phone I
15:5615 minutes, 56 secondsheard him say very loudly I wasn't even standing close to him quote I'm just finishing this Jewish
16:0816 minutes, 8 seconds[ __ ] sorry for using this kind of language but this is the exact quote I was so offended by the vulgar language
16:1616 minutes, 16 secondswhich is never appropriate Etc and she goes on I made it that the police officer called the woman he apologized
16:2516 minutes, 25 secondson the telephone hickin thought it was a good case but the police would wouldn't let the officer go on camera and the Jewish woman seemed to be satisfied that
16:3316 minutes, 33 secondsthe policeman had apologized I realized that it might take some time to find a suitable case to film and the kids had just finished their preparations so I
16:4116 minutes, 41 secondshad to join them and fly to
16:4816 minutes, 48 seconds[Music]
16:5416 minutes, 54 seconds[Music]
16:5716 minutes, 57 secondsPoland
17:0817 minutes, 8 seconds[Applause]
17:1917 minutes, 19 secondsfor the man with the blanked out eyes is an Israeli secret service agent whose identity we are not allowed to reveal
17:4417 minutes, 44 secondstraveling around Poland today it's hard to imagine what it must have looked like over 60 years ago but the guides help the kids to visualize and feel how it
17:5317 minutes, 53 secondswas under the Nazi regime for
18:3918 minutes, 39 seconds[Music]
18:4918 minutes, 49 secondsG how are you is
18:5718 minutes, 57 secondsyes for
19:2019 minutes, 20 seconds[Music]
19:2719 minutes, 27 secondsEnglish
19:3119 minutes, 31 seconds[Music]
19:4119 minutes, 41 secondsforee fore
19:5919 minutes, 59 secondsno no
20:0320 minutes, 3 seconds[Music]
20:0620 minutes, 6 secondsno go to your rooms right now right now go to your rooms youing right now go to your room what happened here what are
20:1520 minutes, 15 secondsyou doing excuse me 7:00 we have some other guests here I know that kids but you have to understand us we have some other guests here they're coming down
20:2420 minutes, 24 secondsand then they are staying T we won't pay for it although the days in the poll trip are long and exhausting the kids still have
20:3320 minutes, 33 secondsa lot of energy when they get back to the hotel okay but close the window
20:3920 minutes, 39 secondsclose the window and stay in your room
20:4620 minutes, 46 seconds[Applause]
20:5720 minutes, 57 secondsokay
21:2321 minutes, 23 secondsfore spee for
22:0122 minutes, 1 secondas the kids were facing anti-Semitism in Poland or at least feeling that they were a case was reported in Brooklyn
22:0722 minutes, 7 secondsthat seemed suitable for the
22:2222 minutes, 22 secondsfilm according to the report aaba School Bus full of young children had been pelted with stones as it was making it
22:3022 minutes, 30 secondsrounds dropping off children one of the stones had crashed through a window where one of the children was sleeping and landed in the aisle between the
22:3822 minutes, 38 secondsseats a second Stone broke a window and barely missed two other children two mothers witnessed the incident and gave
22:4522 minutes, 45 secondsdescriptions of a group of black youths between the ages of 10 and 12 so were you scared huh were you scared I was
22:5422 minutes, 54 secondsworried for the kids I was worried for the kids more than for me what all of a sudden you heard like a
23:0123 minutes, 1 secondbig noise how was it big noise in two windows look the back in the middle on the
23:1123 minutes, 11 secondsside and the kids started to shout or what no they were quiet they were sleeping the three old they're sleeping on the
23:1923 minutes, 19 secondsbus was going back from school crazy huh
23:3323 minutes, 33 secondsCrown Heights is a mixed neighborhood of Jews and blacks in 1991 there was a lot of tension between the two communities leading to the Crown Heights riots which
23:4223 minutes, 42 secondswent on for 3 days and resulted in many casualties this is bamin leitz the local
23:4923 minutes, 49 secondsreporter in Crown Heights maybe put your arms like H you know folded yeah I'm not a poster boy he
23:5823 minutes, 58 secondswas the first to report the incident not a big strong guys see they where the Rocks went into the bus over there wait wait can can you go back to
24:0724 minutes, 7 secondsthat and I mean most of the like of the crime incidents in Crown Heights are targeted
24:1624 minutes, 16 secondsat Jews it's always been known throughout the course of history Jews are soft targets we've been we've been
24:2224 minutes, 22 secondsuh the victims of so many so many uh major incidents genocides and catastrophes and holocausts and
24:3124 minutes, 31 secondseverything it's just the way we are we're we've always been victimized when uh when a when a black guy sees two people walking down a street a black
24:3924 minutes, 39 secondsperson and a Jewish person his choice to attack someone will not be a black person because a black person you never know what is that guy does he carry a knife does he carry a gun a Jew is a
24:4824 minutes, 48 secondssoft target it's it's always been known like that which is why we always encouraged to walk in peirs which is why we always we don't walk so much outside
24:5624 minutes, 56 secondslike at night so to speak alone so I thought I should speak with some of
25:0425 minutes, 4 secondsthe blacks in the neighborhood to see what they feel about anti-Semitism I mean like they we interview this guy and he told us if there's going to be like a
25:1425 minutes, 14 secondsa Jewish guy and a black guy walking in the street and you know somebody wants to Rob they would go for the like the Jewish guy cuz like he's an easier
25:2025 minutes, 20 secondsTarget actually no he's wrong they would actually go for the black guy because you go for a Jewish guy you get more time like the lawyer the judges will
25:2925 minutes, 29 secondsactually give us more time if we rob someone of another race they're going to classify as blacks Rob each other because you get less time I hate so it's
25:3725 minutes, 37 secondslike a practical thing right it's a pract it's a lot of wisdom behind honestly speaking like if you wanted to rob a Jewish person like why would you
25:4425 minutes, 44 secondsrob a Jewish person like you don't never see them with nothing that would make you want to Rob them like yeah especially them up there they just they
25:5125 minutes, 51 secondsbasic simple they don't have nothing and most people how could you talk about a Jew person like when all of them dressed the same like everybody dressed the same oh look the same so and I live around
26:0026 minuteshere 35 years I have never seen a Jewish person get robbed in his name but there are kind of incidents between blacks and Jews right there are some issues it
26:0926 minutes, 9 secondsain't really issues it's like favoritism they get treated better the police will treat them better yes they if if if I'm arguing with a Jew the cops going to
26:1726 minutes, 17 secondscome to me they're not going to bother them they're going to think I'm I'm the aggressor they're not going to think they're the aggressor because they already have like a perception that Jews
26:2526 minutes, 25 secondsare more holier than black people let me tell you something another thing you know they are supposed to be sold the chosen ones but they be in the welfare
26:3426 minutes, 34 secondsoffice and a Section 8 office they the First on to get any kind of bargain deal on anything they're the first ones to
26:4026 minutes, 40 secondsget any kind of discount or uh they know the system very well okay A lot of times they have all this money coming in the
26:4826 minutes, 48 secondshousehold but somehow they always figure out a way to manage getting section8 or public say whatever Services is available trust me the Jewish people are
26:5526 minutes, 55 secondsthe first ones to find out about it the first want to utilize it actually they're part of the mind control system that they use through television and the
27:0327 minutes, 3 secondsmedia the higher up that that right there is in a book called the Elders of the protocols of Zion that was in like 1898 they was talking about how the Jews
27:1227 minutes, 12 secondswill use TV and media and propaganda to control the world and take over the world so little things like that just oh
27:1927 minutes, 19 secondsman who wrote that book I'm trying it was a Russian who wrote that book too Elder whoever's watching this Elders or the protocol of Zion read it it gives
27:2727 minutes, 27 secondsyou a IDE there the blueprint to take over the world it is they're implementing it right now it's actually when you read it
27:3427 minutes, 34 secondsthey say it's false but when you read it you see everything coming to light the protocols of the Elders of Zion describes how a group of old Jews sit
27:4227 minutes, 42 secondsaround the table plotting conspiracies to take over the world but that's considered to be like a really anti-semitic book you know it it is
27:5027 minutes, 50 secondsanti-Semitic tot it's really not anti-semitic anre you got correct this what people keep saying things and they really don't know what they talking if
27:5827 minutes, 58 secondsif somebody's telling if somebody's telling the truth if somebody telling the truth about something why why does it have to be anti-semitic cuz it's not in in a Jew Jewish people favor it's not
28:0728 minutes, 7 secondsanti-semitic it's just somebody being honest facts is what it is bottom line no but just to put things straight like this book that the books of the elderly
28:1528 minutes, 15 secondsof s that was actually they said it was written by a Jew actually so it's really not anti-semitic but this love this this book was like kind of a fraud you know
28:2328 minutes, 23 secondsyeah they say it's a fraud they there wasn't such a thing you know as like h b of people sitting together running the world you know this is kind of [ __ ]
28:3128 minutes, 31 secondsyou you said that's [ __ ] that that that is this is not true this is like a false book that's that's not [ __ ] as far as like a bunch of people sitting
28:3828 minutes, 38 secondstogether running a world the United Nations is a bunch of people sitting together running a world so how could you say that's [ __ ] no it's
28:4528 minutes, 45 secondsdifferent you know because all right so exactly there's no difference you said some like pretty hard stuff about like you know Jewish people and stuff like
28:5328 minutes, 53 secondsthat you got listen let me finish I mean like so maybe when they like see you guys on the streets and they feel like
29:0129 minutes, 1 secondafraid or they feel tension there is something you know like that goes to what I was telling you before they don't know us they never took time to get to know us she was telling you that they
29:0829 minutes, 8 secondsseparate themselves from us want us so when you don't want to get to know someone you never like you're trying to you're trying to you're trying to you're trying
29:1629 minutes, 16 secondsto you're trying to manipulate the conversation I'm just asking no no cuz we told you we have no problem with them hold on first of all why why wouldn't we
29:2529 minutes, 25 secondsbe afraid of them also there's a a a misunderstanding and there's a lack of communication how do we know that we're
29:3229 minutes, 32 secondssafe amongst them I mean talking with them made me realize that living in a mixed Community can create a lot of tension that can be easily inflamed I
29:4029 minutes, 40 secondswent to talk about the situation with Rabbi H one of the leaders of the Jewish community and commissioner for human rights even the attack on the school bus
29:5029 minutes, 50 secondsnot every time when somebody called somebody with a name that you're a Jewish soand so or you're black so and
29:5729 minutes, 57 secondsso so does that mean that I am a racist in heart or an anti-semite anti-semite in heart or that I'm doing it only
30:0630 minutes, 6 secondsbecause of anti-Semitism if five crimes happen five blacks against five Jews it
30:1430 minutes, 14 secondshas to be anti-Semitism why listen even if the reason why I hit
30:2230 minutes, 22 secondsthat Jewish kid is because I knew that he's not going to fight back or the white woman in this neighborhood who was a Jewish woman I stole her pocketbook
30:3030 minutes, 30 secondscuz I know it's going to be easy prey that's not called anti-Semitism now again you want to put it into some category and lock the guy
30:3830 minutes, 38 secondsup for a longer period of time because he saw a weak woman that he grabbed it but again I think we have gone a little too far many of the anti-semitic
30:4630 minutes, 46 secondsincidents reported by the ADL happened to Orthodox Jews since they are the easiest to spot so I was pretty surprised by Rabbi he response let me
30:5530 minutes, 55 secondstell you guys I am suspicious when a guy makes a living from a particular situation so if there's a
31:0431 minutes, 4 secondsparticular film crew that make a living from blood that's right I'm suspicious every time they show
31:1231 minutes, 12 secondsblood if a guy is uh S created only because of anti-Semitism I'm nervous
31:1931 minutes, 19 secondsabout his uh reports are they accurate he has to create a problem because he needs a job
31:2831 minutes, 28 secondsso you're saying like I mean the is not like a credible organization or uh I I
31:3631 minutes, 36 secondsreally can't pass judgment on the organization so we'll leave it that way I'll be politically correct but uh but but
31:4431 minutes, 44 secondslisten clearly the ADL has been responsible in certain areas to flare up
31:5031 minutes, 50 secondsthings as much as they've they've helped um now of course having said that now
31:5831 minutes, 58 secondsI'm on The adl's Blacklist now so uh Mr foxman is not going to come to my home for for dinner but what should I tell
32:0732 minutes, 7 seconds[Music]
32:0932 minutes, 9 secondsyou an important part of the adl's work are the international missions and foxman decided to allow me to join him
32:1832 minutes, 18 secondsevery year a few ADL board members and contributors get to join foxman as he travels to various countries meeting
32:2632 minutes, 26 secondsheads of state politicians and other influential people who can help in the fight against
32:3132 minutes, 31 seconds[Music]
32:3832 minutes, 38 secondsanti-Semitism it's like an organized tour but apart from visiting museums and other tourist attractions The Chosen ADL
32:4532 minutes, 45 secondsmembers get to join foxman in taking an active part in the struggle against anti-Semitism you have to debate what is
32:5532 minutes, 55 secondsproportionate uh when someone attacks ask you you are serious people and you're here for serious business and
33:0333 minutes, 3 secondsyou're going to see the Holy Father and and everything uh that ADL does is Serious Business the police escort along the way made me realize I was traveling
33:1233 minutes, 12 secondswith some pretty important people we seeing the pope tomorrow uhuh
33:1733 minutes, 17 secondsFriday oh yeah good job I can tell you that's was
33:2533 minutes, 25 secondshis wow wow wow wow beautiful how gorgeous I'm curious about how Mr foxman gets to meet all these important people
33:3433 minutes, 34 secondswhy would all these ambassadors politicians and heads of state take the time to meet him it's their perception of the power of the Jewish Community
33:4333 minutes, 43 secondswhich is one of those sides of the anti-Semitism which is it's a very thin line you know um they believe we we are
33:5133 minutes, 51 secondsmore powerful than we are I've always said Jews are not as powerful as the Jews think we are nor as powerful as our
33:5833 minutes, 58 secondsenemies think we are or somewhere in between but um they do believe uh to some extent that we can make a
34:0734 minutes, 7 secondsdifference in Washington and we're not going to convince them otherwise so how do you fight this
34:1434 minutes, 14 secondsSinister conspiratorial view of Jews without using it look when when the United Nations
34:2234 minutes, 22 secondscomes to its General Assembly we meet with 40 heads of State Foreign ministers why I think I got it
34:3234 minutes, 32 secondsit's like a poker game in which foxman Bluffs the other side into thinking that Jews have more influence and Power in Washington than they really have the
34:4034 minutes, 40 secondsdownside is that the idea of Jews being so powerful can result in Envy even hate foxman has a very close
34:4934 minutes, 49 secondsrelationship with the Israeli government before right oh yeah couple of times
34:5834 minutes, 58 secondsIsrael relies on foxman when it comes to issues of anti-Semitism and being the Jewish State anti-Semitism is always on
35:0635 minutes, 6 secondsthe
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35:1235 minutes, 12 secondsagenda I AB what we I wanted to ask you since we met last about the issue of
35:1935 minutes, 19 secondsVenezuela because there were I heard voices kind of saying it's not so bad and Latin America is not so bad
35:2835 minutes, 28 secondsbut I'm I'm not convinced and the question you have good reason not to be convinced good reason it is getting
35:3435 minutes, 34 secondsworse right um and little by little as long as oil money works I'm told that by
35:4235 minutes, 42 secondsour experts it's the only except for Iran it's the only government propagated anti-Semitism today around the world
35:4935 minutes, 49 secondsit's for right this is within the country and then outside so are you pressing in any way we've talked to um
35:5735 minutes, 57 secondsuh Jesse Jackson who has a relationship but um it's not for camera but there are
36:0436 minutes, 4 secondsother plans we'll talk about it in a minute so it is we have a very beautiful here the first example of what foxman is
36:1236 minutes, 12 secondstalking about was a meeting with a special adviser to the Ukrainian president Yenko the Ukrainian government would like to distance itself from the
36:2036 minutes, 20 secondsEmbrace of the Russians and strengthen its ties with the West most especially the United States they believe that the
36:2836 minutes, 28 secondsJews can become their allies in the US Congress um we come um to celebrate your
36:3436 minutes, 34 secondsdemocracy but we also come with mixed feelings um the history of the Jewish people in this country is primarily one
36:4436 minutes, 44 secondsof tragedy we would like to see a more active a more aggressive um approach to
36:5236 minutes, 52 secondsdealing with issues of anti-Semitism it took a long foxman is concerned about the Ukrainian government's comparison of
36:5936 minutes, 59 secondsthe femine in the Ukraine before World War II with the Holocaust the one thing that you need to be sensitive
37:0937 minutes, 9 secondsabout is not the lincol with the Hol be
37:1637 minutes, 16 secondscareful that it not be played as your genocide our
37:2437 minutes, 24 secondsgenocide because that will be counterproductive on all sides we of course um respect
37:3337 minutes, 33 secondsHolocaust and uh I understood your message and we try to be very very
37:4037 minutes, 40 secondsdiplomatic here it is I was impressed by the way foxman
37:4837 minutes, 48 secondshandled the meeting but it also raised some questions for me
37:5337 minutes, 53 seconds[Music]
37:5837 minutes, 58 secondshe was kind of pushing him a little bit huh he was kind of what pushing him yes of course of course it's always like
38:0738 minutes, 7 secondsthat of course I wasn't sure how bringing up things that happened over 60 years ago had any relevance to fighting
38:1538 minutes, 15 secondsanti-Semitism today in order to combat it effectively I think that you have to take responsibility for anything that
38:2238 minutes, 22 secondshappened in the past and then reach the present and then go with your husband when you
38:3138 minutes, 31 secondsfor sometimes you need to give some slack to get what you want no I bring up everything from the p 50 years what his
38:4038 minutes, 40 secondsmother did absolutely not no that's not that's
38:4738 minutes, 47 secondsnot the American Jewish way I don't know about the Israeli Jewish give them the guil friend that's
38:5538 minutes, 55 secondsyeah absolutely we need to play on that
39:0339 minutes, 3 secondsguilt I asked when having a call when when she give you some slack sometimes to you know to make up but she said no
39:1139 minutes, 11 secondsI'm always wrong and she's always right but wait wa do I ever forget anything in the past never never Suzanne will tell
39:1839 minutes, 18 secondsme 20 years ago what I did wrong if we have an argument now but you know 20 years you did this I said but suzan it was 20 years wait a minute but do you
39:2639 minutes, 26 secondsknow why because he has not stood up and taken responsibility for that behavior The
39:3439 minutes, 34 secondsGuilt Trip she's giving you does it help no so maybe the guil trick we given them is not the right solution maybe we
39:4239 minutes, 42 secondsshould like give them some slack and say okay let's be friends not forget the past but kind of
39:4939 minutes, 49 secondsbe a little bit more uh you know moderate yeah you know something we happen to I the guilt and the father
39:5739 minutes, 57 secondsshould not be visited on the guil of the on the sons and it's true of course it's true I agree with you it's true you have
40:0440 minutes, 4 secondsto you cannot let it go down but you can't keep playing on it as heavily as
40:1240 minutes, 12 secondssome people do it's got to be moderate but adal is like one of the people who plays quite heavily no no we're moderate no adal plays
40:2040 minutes, 20 seconds[Music]
40:2240 minutes, 22 secondsheavily there is not a speech there is not a show me here I'm not
40:3140 minutes, 31 secondstalking to I'm not talking to what is he what you or
40:4340 minutes, 43 seconds[Music]
40:4640 minutes, 46 secondssomething not as I was I'm passionate believe
40:5540 minutes, 55 secondsme white as much okay but I could understand ab's sensitivity
41:0441 minutes, 4 secondsto the Holocaust being a Survivor and was moved by the support he received from the ADL Mission
41:1241 minutes, 12 secondsmembers but the film I wanted to make is about anti-Semitism today and I decided to explore on my own
41:2041 minutes, 20 secondsan incident I had read about in the papers in Moscow a man with a knife had entered the synagogue and had started
41:2741 minutes, 27 secondsstabbing people the incident was recorded on the security cameras
41:3341 minutes, 33 seconds[Music]
42:0342 minutes, 3 secondsthe stabbing was a shocking reminder of what anti-Semitism can be I thought I should speak with the members of the synagogue to see how they felt about
42:1142 minutes, 11 secondstheir own
42:2642 minutes, 26 secondssafety fore
43:0243 minutes, 2 secondsI didn't understand how come these religious Jews who go to the synagogue every day and are such easy targets for anti-semites don't seem so concerned
43:1043 minutes, 10 secondsabout their personal safety I decided to ask the local Rabbi in Kiev about it the truth is that for some reason secular Jews are more worried about
43:1943 minutes, 19 secondsanti-Semitism than religious Jews if you noticed um it's it's not that way it's just that on their agenda of being
43:2643 minutes, 26 secondsJewish anti-Semitism is not part of being Jewish for North du Jew part of being
43:3343 minutes, 33 secondsJewish is not fighting anti-Semitism part of being Jewish is practicing Judaism there's no Mitzvah in the T when
43:4043 minutes, 40 secondsyou practice Judaism to fight anti-Semitism at the same time fighting anti fighting anti-Semitism is something that's important for the Jewish people
43:4943 minutes, 49 secondsfor you know for Jewish communities throughout the world and very often uh people that are not practicing like you
43:5643 minutes, 56 secondssay that's where they find their thing so they'll you know Express their Jewish identity in a way that they'll be
44:0344 minutes, 3 secondsfighting at the semitism thereby helping the community you know and it's fight for semitism the rabbi said that it is
44:1044 minutes, 10 secondsactually an issue of identity don't I wanted to know if suzan and Harvey Prince would agree with this Theory yeah
44:1844 minutes, 18 secondsI mean can't film this because you I do think that the ADL helps to reinforce our Jewish identity because
44:2744 minutes, 27 secondswe're not Orthodox and we don't have a religious Jewish life the ADL provides a
44:3544 minutes, 35 secondsforum to be Jewish I mean it certainly is 99.9% Jewish and it gives us an
44:4344 minutes, 43 secondsopportunity to explore being Jewish to look at Jewish issues and it does
44:4944 minutes, 49 secondsreinforce our Jewish identity
44:5344 minutes, 53 seconds[Music]
44:5744 minutes, 57 secondsbab R in the suburbs of Kiev is a mass grave in which 33,785 Jews were shot after digging
45:0545 minutes, 5 secondstheir own grave over the course of Just 2 Days in September 1941
45:2945 minutes, 29 secondsI think the worst thing for me standing here is that it could happen today oh
45:3745 minutes, 37 secondsGod I agree yeah I can see people being marched out of
45:4445 minutes, 44 secondsKiev and shot Marilyn by some some people who would decide that's the thing
45:5145 minutes, 51 secondsto do that's right maybe they do it to gays maybe they do it to that's why we have to for isra Israel's our insurance
46:0146 minutes, 1 second[Music]
46:1246 minutes, 12 secondspolicy shom if it was a question of the
46:2046 minutes, 20 secondscontinuing existence of Israel would you move to Israel yes in a minute good for you I said this
46:2746 minutes, 27 secondsin a minute cuz as far as I'm concerned without Israel there isn't a safe Jew in the
46:3346 minutes, 33 secondsworld so I our feel I agree I agree so you have two people who immediately move to Israel if you have a problem right if
46:4246 minutes, 42 secondsIsrael needs you have two people right I join the army they wouldn't take an old lady but I would be
46:4846 minutes, 48 secondsthere so is that I R bandages he's asking he's asking a question the Jal does that mean that you're more loyal to
46:5546 minutes, 55 secondsIsrael then no of course not that's right how do they like Co coexist these two Notions how do I like what how these
47:0447 minutes, 4 secondstwo Notions coexist the fact that easy you love your children you love your husband you love your friends
47:1247 minutes, 12 secondsequally you love your children more than you love your husband of course not sometimes but you might you might die for your children before you would die
47:2147 minutes, 21 secondsfor your husband it's like the question you the husband or the kids I'm sorry Israel is the husband or the kids the
47:2847 minutes, 28 secondskids the kids the kids the kids the love for love for Israel is love for a child there's a love for a child different
47:3747 minutes, 37 secondsthan a love for a husband true there's nothing like a really a love for a child it's a much more protective right no no
47:4447 minutes, 44 secondsit's it's a much more um
47:5347 minutes, 53 secondsokay according to the ADL Mission members Israel is a child which needs their support but is also their
48:0048 minutesinsurance policy in case something terrible should ever happen again but at this particular moment this insurance
48:0748 minutes, 7 secondspolicy was busy being a teenager making its way to midana concentration camp near luin
48:3848 minutes, 38 seconds[Music]
48:5248 minutes, 52 secondsget him out out
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49:2049 minutes, 20 secondsBri
49:5149 minutes, 51 secondsokay
50:0050 minutes[Applause]
50:1250 minutes, 12 secondsthey
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50:2750 minutes, 27 secondsthee
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51:0151 minutes, 1 secondthis was my first time in my danak as well and I could relate to the way the kids felt the horrors were almost impossible to digest but the kids just
51:1051 minutes, 10 secondscouldn't accept the fact that they wouldn't become emotional after all the preparation they'd been
51:1751 minutes, 17 seconds[Music]
51:2551 minutes, 25 secondsthrough fore
52:0552 minutes, 5 secondsokay guys
52:1652 minutes, 16 seconds[Music]
52:3352 minutes, 33 secondsit occurred to me that after seeing the almost incomprehensible Horrors my people have suffered other people's suffering might seem less significant
52:4252 minutes, 42 secondssomehow I wondered if any of the kids felt this way too
53:1953 minutes, 19 secondsno was not the only one thinking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict in relation to anti-Semitism professor R man finstein a
53:2753 minutes, 27 secondsJewish academic from the Paul University in Chicago has written a book called The Holocaust industry in which he accuses
53:3553 minutes, 35 secondsparts of the Jewish establishment of making cynical political use of the Holocaust Dr fingen you have some
53:4553 minutes, 45 secondsvisitors whenever Israel faces a public relations debacle or comes out under
53:5253 minutes, 52 secondspressure to resolve the Israel Palestine conflict they start up this uh Extravaganza called the new
54:0154 minutes, 1 secondanti-Semitism as it's usually understood anti-Semitism means an irrational hatred of Jews born simply of the fact that
54:1054 minutes, 10 secondsthey are Jewish but that's not what's going on here it's a hostility born of the fact that the state which claims to
54:1854 minutes, 18 secondsrepresent them is engaged in quite brutal violence I'm sure lots of people I meet have this what you say deep you
54:2754 minutes, 27 secondsknow deep down inside they have this kind of queasy feeling about Jews I'm sure that's
54:3454 minutes, 34 secondstrue but did it have any real Subs substantial repercussions on me in life
54:4254 minutes, 42 secondsthe answer is just no there's a kind of pathological
54:4954 minutes, 49 secondsnarcissism Naval contemplation when you are the richest wealthiest most successful ful ethnic
54:5754 minutes, 57 secondsgroup in the United States you've got the world on a platter and you sit around and you're talking about
55:0555 minutes, 5 secondsanti-Semitism it's just kind of shameful I think at the time I first interviewed finlin I didn't realized what a
55:1355 minutes, 13 secondscontroversial figure he was in the eyes of the Jewish establishment finlin the son of Holocaust Survivors has been
55:2055 minutes, 20 secondslabeled a self-hating Jew a holocaust denier and a Madman I had interviews stopped at the very mention of his name
55:2855 minutes, 28 secondsI know if you Google Norman finklestein and Holocaust Den nowadays you'll get about 10,000
55:3655 minutes, 36 secondswebsites well if I'm a holocaust denier if I'm a holocaust denier I would have
55:4355 minutes, 43 secondsto be certifiably insane I would have to be clinically insane because given who my parents were for me to be denying the
55:5155 minutes, 51 secondsNazi Holocaust I'd have to be clinically insane so you have to judge for yourself you may disagree with me but is it your
56:0056 minutesimpression that I'm clinically insane now if you think I'm not then you have to wonder why are
56:0956 minutes, 9 secondsthose 10,000 websites saying that recently you know there's this talk about the new anti-Semitism which is very related to
56:1656 minutes, 16 secondsIsrael and I've been heard that from Jews outside of Israel saying Israel is the cause that
56:2456 minutes, 24 secondsanti-Semitism is now uh that we are suffering from anti-Semitism well I I would say that is nonsense that comes
56:3056 minutes, 30 secondsfrom insecure Jews um I think um people use Israel as an excuse to rationalize
56:3956 minutes, 39 secondsand legitimize because in many places of the world anti-Semitism is is not acceptable it's not it's not polite it's
56:4756 minutes, 47 secondsnot proper but if you can camouflage it if you can find a platform of of a news event of a political disc course then
56:5756 minutes, 57 secondsyou use it and we find every time there is U conflict in the Middle East between Israel and somebody else the level of
57:0457 minutes, 4 secondsanti-Semitism spikes why because the anti-semites come out of their Woodwork and now they can express themselves in
57:1257 minutes, 12 secondstheir anti-Semitism in a in what they consider a legitimate uh licensed way
57:1957 minutes, 19 secondsstrangely enough foxman and felstein agreed on one thing which is that most anti-Semitic incidents nowadays fall under the category of new
57:2857 minutes, 28 secondsanti-Semitism the difference is that foxman says that anti-semites found a new Target called Israel to which they could express their
57:3657 minutes, 36 secondsanti-Semitism well finstein believes that saying that is a cynical misuse of the term anti-Semitism but attacks on
57:4357 minutes, 43 secondsthe ADL seem to be coming from all directions so today in America there are two
57:5057 minutes, 50 secondsprofessors who are saying that Jews are more loyal to Israel than to
57:5857 minutes, 58 secondsAmerica uh me shimer and Wald see this is what Pat me shimer and Wald shimer M
58:0658 minutes, 6 secondsshimer shimer and wal Steve wal and John mimer are two academics from the universities of
58:1458 minutes, 14 secondsHarvard and Chicago who wrote a book called The Israeli Lobby they claim that there is a Lobby in the US whose role is
58:2258 minutes, 22 secondsto support Israeli policy even if this policy goes against the interests of the US the role of the ADL in this Lobby is
58:3058 minutes, 30 secondsto silence those who criticize Israeli policy saying they are actually anti-semites in Disguise Walt and mimer
58:3858 minutes, 38 secondswere invited to Israel by G Shalom a left-wing Israeli organization whose head is URI ofner a former Parliament
58:4558 minutes, 45 secondsmember and a peace activist I was very happy that they accepted our invitation it agreed to come here actually there we
58:5458 minutes, 54 secondsvery a little bit afraid in the beginning that there may be some difficulty to get them into
59:0159 minutes, 1 secondIsrael especially after what happened to Professor Norman finkenstein who has been arrested and kept kept in prison
59:0959 minutes, 9 secondsactually and then deported Steve and I have traveled all over the United States and we've traveled all over Europe
59:1759 minutes, 17 secondstalking about the lobby I have honestly been struck by how little evidence we've
59:2459 minutes, 24 secondscome across of anti-Semitism this is not to say that we don't run into lots of people who are critical of Israeli
59:3259 minutes, 32 secondspolicy and shake their head at what the Israelis are doing
1:00:241 hour, 24 secondsspe
1:00:541 hour, 54 secondsfor for
1:01:501 hour, 1 minute, 50 secondsI asked them if they foxman spokesman Ario salivan was the last person I expected to see the what was he doing here look AB they
1:01:581 hour, 1 minute, 58 secondsmentioned the ADL a couple of times in in their talks and like I told you they were false these things and I I went up to Walt but he was crowned people said
1:02:061 hour, 2 minutes, 6 secondsthis and I'm from ADL Ariel Sullivan and and those two things you said about the ADL are incorrect I got a lot of interest from the Foreign Press I don't
1:02:141 hour, 2 minutes, 14 secondsknow about the Israeli media though was it Israeli media
1:02:221 hour, 2 minutes, 22 seconds[Music]
1:02:241 hour, 2 minutes, 24 secondshere
1:02:341 hour, 2 minutes, 34 seconds[Music]
1:02:541 hour, 2 minutes, 54 secondsfor for
1:03:341 hour, 3 minutes, 34 secondsI don't know if the whole world was shaken by Walter mim's book but the Jewish establishment certainly was why
1:03:401 hour, 3 minutes, 40 secondsdo su two such established credentials respected
1:03:481 hour, 3 minutes, 48 secondsacademics engaged in such a shty piece of work on what subject at the annual ADL convention
1:03:561 hour, 3 minutes, 56 secondsthe Israeli Lobby book was the center of attention in the foreign office in Israel there was a three-day convention dealing mostly with the issues raised in
1:04:041 hour, 4 minutes, 4 secondsthe book The Israeli Lobby never before had the question of whether anti-Semitism and anti-zionism are the
1:04:111 hour, 4 minutes, 11 secondssame thing seemed so important experts and speakers from all over the world said the same thing that those who
1:04:181 hour, 4 minutes, 18 secondsattack Israel are doing so simply because they are anti-semites in Disguise we thought people who would hate us who would be our en enemies
1:04:261 hour, 4 minutes, 26 secondswould be thugs and lunatics yelling Kik and instead their softspoken college professors explaining to us how how we
1:04:331 hour, 4 minutes, 33 secondshave the aparte state we were unprepared so let this conference draw a line in the sand if you're an enemy of the Jewish people then we will fight you
1:04:401 hour, 4 minutes, 40 secondswith all our might for ourselves and for our children and for our children's children
1:04:481 hour, 4 minutes, 48 secondswho would we be if we did not and we will prevail
1:04:521 hour, 4 minutes, 52 seconds[Applause]
1:04:531 hour, 4 minutes, 53 seconds[Music]
1:04:571 hour, 4 minutes, 57 secondsafter 3 days something happened which was more or less the equivalent of a bomb being thrown into the room if you came down from
1:05:061 hour, 5 minutes, 6 secondsspace you would think having looked at this conference that there was absolutely no problem in the West Bank
1:05:141 hour, 5 minutes, 14 secondsor in Gaza one element of the reason why so many people around the world are angry with
1:05:211 hour, 5 minutes, 21 secondsIsrael is because of the continuing settlement and occup ation of Palestinian land and because Israel which has state
1:05:311 hour, 5 minutes, 31 secondspower has not done enough to end the occupation one of the reasons such an
1:05:371 hour, 5 minutes, 37 secondsoccupation cannot be sustained without racism without violence and without humiliation against the people who are
1:05:471 hour, 5 minutes, 47 secondsoccupied thank you it's I I don't get it I just don't get it unless you were
1:05:531 hour, 5 minutes, 53 secondsironic listen David I we appreciate your work
1:06:031 hour, 6 minutes, 3 secondswe invited you to speak but what you did today was a kind of preaching about looking for human rights that we don't
1:06:111 hour, 6 minutes, 11 secondshave this is more L what you said there are problems with human rights in the territory what do you say I choose to
1:06:181 hour, 6 minutes, 18 secondssay something which has not yet been said by everybody it's very simp no not for the
1:06:261 hour, 6 minutes, 26 secondsprovocation because Palestine was not mentioned this confence once maybe by guil it was mentioned as it was
1:06:341 hour, 6 minutes, 34 secondsmentioned yesterday as Palestine is the anti Nation Palestine is the one unique nation which doesn't have the right to
1:06:411 hour, 6 minutes, 41 secondsexist it was mention no no one said it come on no one said it said it Palestine
1:06:481 hour, 6 minutes, 48 secondsis the anation what do you think that means and where do you think that terminology comes from the anti- nation
1:06:571 hour, 6 minutes, 57 secondswhat you were saying is that anti-Semitism and anti-zionism are two different things they are two different things I know sometimes they are the
1:07:051 hour, 7 minutes, 5 secondssame thing and it's kind of ironic really that I was seen by some people as a sort of wild wild eyed radical because
1:07:141 hour, 7 minutes, 14 secondswhere I come from I'm denounced as a right-wing neocon Israeli
1:07:221 hour, 7 minutes, 22 secondssupporting anti-palestinian racist um what does it say about this
1:07:301 hour, 7 minutes, 30 secondsconference then what it says about this conference that there were some hard right Wingers
1:07:361 hour, 7 minutes, 36 secondsthere um there you go nobody in this conference was balanced not one I don't
1:07:431 hour, 7 minutes, 43 secondsthink so speaking with David hch made me realize that it is very difficult to represent any other approach in the Jewish World those who try to say
1:07:521 hour, 7 minutes, 52 secondsanything different are being silenced and Dana has a go me for not being balanced you hinted too much you were
1:08:001 hour, 8 minutesnot exp enough should have here was right the occupation as a possible reason for Justified criticism was not
1:08:101 hour, 8 minutes, 10 secondsmentioned many Jewish people see anti-Semitism as a force of nature it has always been there and will always be
1:08:171 hour, 8 minutes, 17 secondsthere it will just take on different shapes and forms I find this difficult to accept this is a conference about
1:08:251 hour, 8 minutes, 25 secondspeople around the world blaming Jews as the worst human rights violators on the planet and the people who support Israel
1:08:341 hour, 8 minutes, 34 secondsare now under attack as supporting the colonialist apartheid state of Israel this is a warrant for Attack on Jewish
1:08:421 hour, 8 minutes, 42 secondspeople it is internationally recognized that anti Zionism is sometimes anti-Semitism Israeli this is the only
1:08:511 hour, 8 minutes, 51 secondsthing that leaves me hope to differentiate this two because otherwise there is no hope otherwise this is a doomed but this is closing your eyes
1:08:591 hour, 8 minutes, 59 secondsdoomed fatalistic your give us no hope no but you see what what he's doing what he's
1:09:061 hour, 9 minutes, 6 secondshe's doing exactly the the he has the problem of the left and here's the problem here's the problem you you this analysis this is just like the wife
1:09:141 hour, 9 minutes, 14 secondswho's beaten by her husband who goes to the psychiatrist and she says it must be something I did because if it's not something I did then it's hopeless then
1:09:221 hour, 9 minutes, 22 secondshe's a Madman well you need to find something you did to cause the hatred against you but guess what it's nothing
1:09:291 hour, 9 minutes, 29 secondsthat you did and it's too bad you are in chaos and the world is dangerous and islamism funded by the Saudis is
1:09:371 hour, 9 minutes, 37 secondsteaching gazillions of people around the world that you are evil before you came to Israel so this is your problem you're
1:09:441 hour, 9 minutes, 44 secondsexactly right and you don't want that to be true maybe they're right maybe I'm just naive maybe all those people who criticize Israel really are anti-semites
1:09:531 hour, 9 minutes, 53 secondsin Disguise and I'm heading to Chicago to speak with John mimer co-author of the Israeli
1:10:001 hour, 10 minutesLobby I hope to have the courage to ask him if he's really an anti-semite in
1:10:101 hour, 10 minutes, 10 secondsDisguise and but did you like kind of like took a few minutes to question yourself when you being blamed as being anti-semite like did you try to think
1:10:181 hour, 10 minutes, 18 secondsabout it like you know between yourself and yourself you know like I don't know if you have this expression like within yourself like did you take a moment to
1:10:261 hour, 10 minutes, 26 secondsthink maybe some of it was like influenced by by something which is you know could be interpreted as like anti
1:10:361 hour, 10 minutes, 36 secondsanti-Semitism no because I'm not anti-semitic and I I never uh had any
1:10:441 hour, 10 minutes, 44 secondsdoubt uh that I wasn't anti-semitic and uh I just didn't see any need uh to do this uh my arguments
1:10:541 hour, 10 minutes, 54 secondsare not any any way shape or form hostile to Jews or hostile to the state of Israel and in fact Steve Walt and I
1:11:021 hour, 11 minutes, 2 secondsgo to Great Lengths in the books to make the in the book and in the article to make the case uh that we think the Lobby's policies are not in Israel's
1:11:111 hour, 11 minutes, 11 secondsinterest or in America's interest and we believe uh that the policies that we're pushing and the arguments that we're making are better for Israel and better
1:11:201 hour, 11 minutes, 20 secondsfor the United States now one can disagree with that but uh those arguments that we making are not anti-semitic and we're not anti-semites
1:11:281 hour, 11 minutes, 28 secondsof course it's almost impossible to prove that you're not an anti-semite which is one reason that this charge is
1:11:351 hour, 11 minutes, 35 secondsso effective how does one say uh I'm not anti-semitic and convince people who say
1:11:421 hour, 11 minutes, 42 secondsyou are my best friend is right that's what you end up saying that uh my best friends are Jews and some of my best
1:11:511 hour, 11 minutes, 51 secondsfriends are Jews and of course this is not a very convincing argument in fact it's an argument that's almost guaranteed to lose there's no question
1:11:591 hour, 11 minutes, 59 secondsthat anti-Semitism has been uh a poisonous uh and potent uh phenomenon
1:12:061 hour, 12 minutes, 6 secondsover time and there's no question that someone like uh Abe foxman who grew up as a infant and a young boy in Europe
1:12:151 hour, 12 minutes, 15 secondsduring the Holocaust is going to be affected by that history of anti-Semitism they say that eventually it's bad for Israel as well not only for
1:12:241 hour, 12 minutes, 24 secondsthe United but this policy eventually will be bad for Israel as well but that's not their goddamn business who the hell ask them to decide
1:12:331 hour, 12 minutes, 33 secondswhat's good for you you who who are they who are they who come to a judgment what will provide
1:12:421 hour, 12 minutes, 42 secondsSafety and Security for you keep in your mind that's not their business look I have um I have an obsession in this
1:12:511 hour, 12 minutes, 51 secondsplace with one thing which I have um I'm gonna I'm gonna we need to find a way the latest battle ape foxman had taken
1:12:591 hour, 12 minutes, 59 secondsupon himself against the anti-semitic polish dolls made me realize that his Devotion to Israel is only part of the
1:13:061 hour, 13 minutes, 6 secondsoverall picture traditional Jew I would say even stereotypic
1:13:131 hour, 13 minutes, 13 secondsJew um holding a a bag of money and a [ __ ] it's a good luck charm to buy
1:13:201 hour, 13 minutes, 20 secondspeople if they go into a new house or business because the Jews are so good with money it is disgusting it is
1:13:291 hour, 13 minutes, 29 secondsdisgusting and now in the e in the economic crisis you want to know how serious Jews and money is Jews or money
1:13:381 hour, 13 minutes, 38 secondsis that what you want but somebody's good with money is not a bad thing you know to you know you know what we're in aitz that's those are the things that
1:13:461 hour, 13 minutes, 46 secondspav the stones to lead to aitz because if Jews have money and you can get rid of the Jews you can get their money what kind of a good thing is that f one is
1:13:551 hour, 13 minutes, 55 secondslike a very sensitive radar for Jewish issues except make them more jealous the memory of the Holocaust is always in the background like a warning sign of what
1:14:041 hour, 14 minutes, 4 secondscan happen if things are not dealt with at the right time I want to ask you a question look
1:14:111 hour, 14 minutes, 11 secondsover here do you see a holocaust coming it's
1:14:191 hour, 14 minutes, 19 secondscrazy there's so much hunger so much starvation in the world so many people are suffering uing and you want me get
1:14:271 hour, 14 minutes, 27 secondsexcited about some idiot painting a swasa somewhere finstein lost his job at
1:14:351 hour, 14 minutes, 35 secondsUniversity because of what he claims was pressure from the Israeli Lobby then he was denied entery to Israel because he
1:14:421 hour, 14 minutes, 42 secondswas as the authorities described a security Hazard which being Jewish himself is probably
1:14:491 hour, 14 minutes, 49 secondsunprecedented fenin reminds me of the biblical prophets of Doom who were always being p with stones for saying
1:14:561 hour, 14 minutes, 56 secondsthings nobody wanted to hear one of the major kind of um um claims I I hear from
1:15:041 hour, 15 minutes, 4 secondspeople like the ADL or you know other Jewish people is that like how come always picking people picking up on Israel how come there are so much you
1:15:111 hour, 15 minutes, 11 secondsknow unjustice you know in other part of the world and nobody speaks about you know what is the reason for that I think people listen I open the radio I hear
1:15:201 hour, 15 minutes, 20 secondsnonstop about Sudan I hear nonstop about Tibet I hear nonstop about
1:15:291 hour, 15 minutes, 29 secondsdarur I hear a lot the only place I hear excuses made for is
1:15:361 hour, 15 minutes, 36 secondsIsrael that's the place where I hear excuses and we do have to remember it is
1:15:431 hour, 15 minutes, 43 secondsthe oldest occupation in the world I mean 40 years really is enough it's older than
1:15:491 hour, 15 minutes, 49 secondsyou it's older than you the occupation doesn't that kind
1:15:561 hour, 15 minutes, 56 secondsof stun you the irony is that the Nazi Holocaust has now become the main
1:16:031 hour, 16 minutes, 3 secondsideological weapon for launching Wars of aggression every time you want to launch a war of aggression dragging the Nazi
1:16:121 hour, 16 minutes, 12 secondsHolocaust it's the suffering then used as another pretext or
1:16:211 hour, 16 minutes, 21 secondsexcuse to humiliate degrade and torture the Palestinians that's the problem the
1:16:281 hour, 16 minutes, 28 secondssuffering comes as a package it then comes here is the suffering now we blow up your house here
1:16:371 hour, 16 minutes, 37 secondsis the suffering now we take your land here is the suffering now we drop artillery shell or shoot artillery
1:16:441 hour, 16 minutes, 44 secondsshells at your Villages it's a package deal with Israel and its American supporters it's not just suffering it's
1:16:521 hour, 16 minutes, 52 secondssuffering which is then wrapped in a club and the club is then used to break the skulls of the Palestinians
1:17:001 hour, 17 minutesthat's the problem it's not being used to educate people it's not being used to
1:17:071 hour, 17 minutes, 7 secondsEnlighten people it's not being used to make people more moral it can be but
1:17:131 hour, 17 minutes, 13 secondsit's not I mean it's not that's the whole point of course it can be but it
1:17:211 hour, 17 minutes, 21 secondsisn't it's the best thing that will ever happen to Israel if they get rid of these American Jews who are warmongers
1:17:291 hour, 17 minutes, 29 secondsfrom Martha's Vineyard and they're warmongers from The Hamptons and their warmongers from Beverly Hills and their warmongers from
1:17:381 hour, 17 minutes, 38 secondsMiami it's been a disaster for Israel you know it's the best thing if they can ever get rid of this American
1:17:461 hour, 17 minutes, 46 secondsJury it's a curse for finlin foxman is the main enemy
1:17:551 hour, 17 minutes, 55 secondsyou see that's why you're not going to get like people's attention you know for things like that some people laugh you comparing foxman to Hitler that's kind
1:18:021 hour, 18 minutes, 2 secondsof it's to it's an insult to Hitler Hitler at least didn't do it for
1:18:111 hour, 18 minutes, 11 secondsmoney ptin took his own trauma as a son of Holocaust Survivors to the opposite extreme when I asked him if he had any
1:18:191 hour, 18 minutes, 19 secondssympathy for the Israeli victims as well as for the Palestinians he compared Israeli C casties to the German casualties in World War II you know
1:18:281 hour, 18 minutes, 28 secondsyou're funny I have to tell you you're funny you come from a society in which everyone calls everyone
1:18:351 hour, 18 minutes, 35 secondsa Nazi right they call rabina Nazi benorian called jabotinsky and Nazi
1:18:431 hour, 18 minutes, 43 secondsjabotinsky called benorian and Nazi uh bacon called uh Boran Nazi they all said
1:18:511 hour, 18 minutes, 51 secondseach of them said one is worse than Hitler that's the the whole language of your Society it's also the language I grew up with you know everything in my
1:19:001 hour, 19 minuteshouse the food worst in outfitz the clothes worst than that's the house you grow up in and all of a sudden you get
1:19:091 hour, 19 minutes, 9 secondsso Pious when I go like that your whole society is like that why was Rabin you don't remember
1:19:171 hour, 19 minutes, 17 secondswhen they made Rabin with the SS before he was shot and then you all of a sudden get so pious
1:19:261 hour, 19 minutes, 26 secondsI just think about like how people because of what because of Abe foxman we have to be Pious with Abe foxman A hlam
1:19:331 hour, 19 minutes, 33 secondsand A Thug I'm just trying to see to think how other people will perceive it you know from myself you know you can go and do
1:19:421 hour, 19 minutes, 42 secondsit all day long you know I did it with you you're in Israel you yeah but it's on film you know it's on film you know other people will see it afterwards take it
1:19:491 hour, 19 minutes, 49 secondsout that's why you're an editor no that's obviously you know should stay in the field fine you think
1:19:571 hour, 19 minutes, 57 secondsI care you think I
1:20:081 hour, 20 minutes, 8 secondscare so you like the neighborhood very much look at the breeze the last time I was with foxman
1:20:171 hour, 20 minutes, 17 secondswas in aitz the Israeli Army sends its officers on a Poland trip similar to the one the kids are going through
1:20:251 hour, 20 minutes, 25 secondsthis year for the first time ever an ADL Mission became an integral part of the Israeli Defense Force
1:20:321 hour, 20 minutes, 32 secondsMission marching next to foxman is the Deputy Chief of Staff the second in command of the Israeli
1:20:401 hour, 20 minutes, 40 secondsArmy on foxman's left is the Israeli ambassador to
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1:20:481 hour, 20 minutes, 48 secondsPoland mean small you mean small you mean small small
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1:21:111 hour, 21 minutes, 11 secondslemon this is the biggest cemetery in the world in the world Poland it's not the Jewish
1:21:211 hour, 21 minutes, 21 secondscemetery but it's the biggest cemeter
1:21:301 hour, 21 minutes, 30 secondsever 1 and A2 million Jews but the 3 million yeah but this place
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1:26:371 hour, 26 minutes, 37 secondsI've walked I've walked this road before full of Despair full of
1:26:441 hour, 26 minutes, 44 secondsAnguish to walk and feel the strength behind you of 150
1:26:521 hour, 26 minutes, 52 secondsofficers of all all the levels of the Israeli Army I walked with pride I walked with
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1:28:031 hour, 28 minutes, 3 secondsmy filming was coming to an end as I looked at the sleeping kids I thought that putting so much emphasis on the past as horrific as it has been is
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1:28:311 hour, 28 minutes, 31 secondsmaybe it's about time to live in the present and look to the Future
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The Holocaust
Wikipedia • The Holocaust, known in Hebrew as the Shoah, was the genocide of European Jews during World War II. From 1941 to 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators systematically murdered around six million Jews across German-occupied Europe, approximately two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population.
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