제1차 세계대전 및 제2차 세계대전 시기 미국 내 일본인 강제수용소 경험을 증언하는 짐 다니모토(Jim Tanimoto)의 모습입니다.
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Jim Tanimoto | Time of Remembrance
짐 다니모토는 제2차 세계대전 당시 캘리포니아주 툴레레이크(Tule Lake) 강제수용소에 수용되었던 인물로, 정부의 충성심 설문조사를 거부했던 이른바 '블록 42(Block 42) 저항대'의 생존자로 잘 알려져 있습니다.
Internment - Time of Remembrance - Jim Tanimoto
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3,619 views Aug 23, 2013 Time of Remembrance - WWII Internment Oral History Project
First-Hand Accounts of the Japanese American Internment Experience. It is our hope that these stories will build on the work and legacy of the late Mary Tsukamoto, who devoted her life to promoting social justice for all, regardless of race, creed, or ethnicity.
Jim Tanimoto Interview
Jim was held at the Tule Lake Segregation Center. In 1943, he refused to answer the so-called "loyalty questionnaire," and was removed with many other men living in his same block to a nearby former California Conservation Camp (CCC).
00:00 - Introduction
00:18 - Clip 1: Description of life prior to Pearl Harbor and being sent to Tule Lake. Refers to Tule Lake as a concentration camp.
03:34 - Clip 2: Description of the Loyalty questionaire and his decision not to sign the paper.
06:13 - Clip 3: Description of the segregation of those who did not sign the loyalty questionaire at Tule Lake and their removal from camp and incarceration in jail.
08:53 - Clip 4: Description of arrival of at the CCC camp - provides brief history of the CCC camp. First encounter with guards.
10:58 - Clip 5: Description of the treatment of the guards at the CCC camp towards the Japanese men who refused to sign the loyalty oath.
14:01 - Clip 6: Description of a positive experience with one of the guards at the CCC camp.
16:23 - Clip 7: Additional information about one of the guards at the CCC camp.
17:18 - Clip 8: Description of his families experience in dealing with racism when they returned. Includes a story about Eleanor Roosevelt.
20:49 - Clip 9: Description of why he became a resistor - based on his education and recognition that the US was not living up to its ideals. Difficulty in leaving everything behind.
24:47 - Clip 10: Description of what happened to the Japanese people upon their return from camp and how their things were stolen.
26:45 - Clip 11: Describes experiences when he returned to Gridley and the racism he and his family experienced including an incident with his former coach.
31:33 - Clip 12: Describes an experience in Montana at Custer's monument with an American Indian - explores the importance of telling his story.
35:27 - Credits
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Chapter 1: Introduction
Chapter 2: Clip 1: Description of life prior to Pearl Harbor and being sent to Tule Lake. Refers to Tule Lake as a concentration camp.
0:1919 secondsI just grab uh graduated from high school in 1941 and I didn't go to college I start
0:2828 secondsto form our paches which was our main
0:3434 secondsincome at that time and uh when Japan bomb Pearl Harbor and president Rosevelt
0:4343 secondssigned the executive order 1966 we were forced into the American concentration camp and it is a
0:5151 secondsconcentration camp it has Bob wires around all perimeters and it has
0:5858 secondswatchtowers and has search lights and it's man 24 hours a day with armed
1:061 minute, 6 secondsguards I was in Tully Lake concentration camp and uh July 10th July 99th we left
1:161 minute, 16 secondsGridley which is uh about 20 miles east of marsville
1:221 minute, 22 secondsCalifornia and uh we got on the train uh July 9th in the afternoon and next next
1:301 minute, 30 secondsmorning we were in Tuli Lake July 10th and in July and we didn't know what
1:381 minute, 38 secondsto do the country was pretty much like what we see out here in manzanar
1:441 minute, 44 secondsSagebrush sand an open ground very few trees and um I've hunted deer out this
1:531 minute, 53 secondskind of country and we did pretty good hunting deer but we uh
2:012 minutes, 1 secondwere processed and we were assigned to block 42 uh everybody on the train got off and
2:092 minutes, 9 secondsuh most people were shocked to see what was outside we couldn't see out of the train because they forced us to pull the
2:172 minutes, 17 secondswindow shades down so the first look we got outside was when we got off the train and when we got off the train we
2:262 minutes, 26 secondscould see sage bush we could see sand and we were in the uh uh the office area
2:362 minutes, 36 secondsand we were processed and then we were assigned to our barracks in Block 42 and when we got to the barracks we
2:452 minutes, 45 secondsopened the door we looked inside the only thing that was inside was uh
2:522 minutes, 52 seconds2x4 partitions no no sheet rocks or no plywood so you can see from from one end
3:003 minutesto the other end of the building it's just a long building and then after we got used to
3:083 minutes, 8 secondsthe routine of doing nothing we didn't know what to do so we started looking for a job and we went to the off
3:173 minutes, 17 secondsemployment office and applied for a job my first job was what they call construction
3:243 minutes, 24 secondsengineer and U the job was to fill a pond with
3:323 minutes, 32 secondsSam and I had several jobs they passed the so-called loyalty
Chapter 3: Clip 2: Description of the Loyalty questionaire and his decision not to sign the paper.
3:383 minutes, 38 secondspapers around to be filled out uh the two
3:453 minutes, 45 secondsquestions number 27 and number 28 one had to do with serving in the United States armed
3:533 minutes, 53 secondsforces and protecting the Constitution and the Bill of Rights the other
4:004 minutesquestion had to do with cutting all ties with Japan and the emperor of Japan well
4:084 minutes, 8 secondswhen I registered for The Selective Service I did that and that was one reason why I
4:164 minutes, 16 secondswouldn't sign uh another reason the biggest reason was as long as I was a
4:234 minutes, 23 secondsprisoner and that's what I was I was a prisoner and I was forced into this Camp I I didn't volunteer to come here I was
4:324 minutes, 32 secondsforced by the government to go to this where I was assigned to which was to Lake concentration
4:404 minutes, 40 secondscamp and I told the people that uh that I don't know if I was arrested or not
4:474 minutes, 47 secondsbut the people that that forced me to uh uh the soldiers that forced me to
4:554 minutes, 55 secondsto stand over here uh I told him you know what you're doing is
5:045 minutes, 4 secondswrong um I'm only standing for my rides this you're supposed to fill out these
5:135 minutes, 13 secondspapers and you guys didn't and I says the reason I'm here cuz I'm a prisoner and as long as I'm a
5:215 minutes, 21 secondsprisoner I'm not signing anything send me back to where I come from which was gridly then show me your papers and I
5:305 minutes, 30 secondswould gladly sign yes yes but if you sign no to both questions you were considered
5:385 minutes, 38 secondsdisloyal and if you answered yes to both question you were considered loyal in my
5:445 minutes, 44 secondscase I never sign yes or no I says I'm not signing any papers as long as I'm a
5:525 minutes, 52 secondsprisoner charge me with something and and take me to court and tell me I'm guilty then I'll be glad to
6:016 minutes, 1 secondserve my time but I have done nothing I don't deserve this I'm an American
6:086 minutes, 8 secondscitizen so this is why uh I'm not signing there was 36 or 37 of us young
Chapter 4: Clip 3: Description of the segregation of those who did not sign the loyalty questionaire at Tule Lake and their removal from camp and incarceration in jail.
6:186 minutes, 18 secondsmen that wouldn't sign the papers for this reason our block was surrounded by armed
6:276 minutes, 27 secondssoldiers they were armed with rifles with Ben fixed on the rifle and uh they came in the afternoon
6:366 minutes, 36 secondsclose to Meal Time surrounded our whole block and uh that kept the people from
6:446 minutes, 44 secondsthe other blocks from coming in and I don't know if they kept us from going out but uh that was the reason they
6:526 minutes, 52 secondsdidn't want other people's coming in but word got around that there's a group of soldiers that surrounded block 42
7:007 minutesand of course there was other people that supported us for not signing and they they want to be part of our group
7:087 minutes, 8 secondsbut they the soldiers wouldn't let them trespass into block 42 and uh this was dinner time just
7:177 minutes, 17 secondsbefore dinner they surrounded our block we finished dinner and we was coming out of the mess hall and there was a soldier
7:247 minutes, 24 secondsstanding right there by the door says you get over here and they would only select people but I
7:327 minutes, 32 secondsthought they were selecting people what was the draft age um older people like 50 60 70 years
7:417 minutes, 41 secondsold uh they let them go by and uh there was like I said there was
7:517 minutes, 51 secondsaround 30 36 people in our group and we were after the mess was
7:597 minutes, 59 secondsempty the soldier that says segregated us says count off one two and then after the meso got empty
8:098 minutes, 9 secondsand he would checked the meso and uh we counted off he says okay all the ones get on that truck and all the twos get
8:188 minutes, 18 secondson this truck um one truck went to clouth Falls Oregon and the other truck went to Alors
8:268 minutes, 26 secondsCalifornia and we were put in County Jail uh I don't remember if the we had any
8:358 minutes, 35 secondsguards sitting with us in front or in the back but I know there was at least two
8:428 minutes, 42 secondstrucks one went to climate Falls one went to Oregon and uh
8:488 minutes, 48 secondswe I was in the group that went to climate Falls Oregon uh the CCC camp was a camp where
Chapter 5: Clip 4: Description of arrival of at the CCC camp - provides brief history of the CCC camp. First encounter with guards.
8:578 minutes, 57 secondsthe part of the new deal President Roosevelt idea of getting people to work this was right after the
9:059 minutes, 5 secondsDepression and people was out of job and all this U so they on part of the new
9:129 minutes, 12 secondsdeal they had this CCC camp and when the war broke out most of these people enlisted or they got a wartime job
9:219 minutes, 21 secondsdefense job so the camp was closed so when we arrived at the CCC camp and this was Within
9:299 minutes, 29 seconds10 miles from the original Tully Lake concentration camp
9:389 minutes, 38 secondsuh we got into the the CCC camp and the other group the one that went to
9:469 minutes, 46 secondsalterus I think they came in a little before us a little after us but we were together again all 30 six of us or 37 of
9:559 minutes, 55 secondsus and the driver says this is your new home says you have you have to clean up the
10:0310 minutes, 3 secondsBarrack so there was several Barracks there says select one clean up the Barrack and this is the mol we're going
10:1110 minutes, 11 secondsto use the meso so you clean that up so we was cleaning up the barrack in the mess all and the so oh before that he
10:2010 minutes, 20 secondssays this is your new home and clean up the barrack in the mesle and he says don't run
10:2710 minutes, 27 secondsaway because you're guards are not here yet okay and we were cleaning up and the
10:3610 minutes, 36 secondsguards arrived and I don't know I'm not a soldier so I don't know but uh they took
10:4410 minutes, 44 secondstheir job very seriously like we were bad guys we were Escape convicts or or uh disloyal
10:5410 minutes, 54 secondsAmericans or whatever but they took their job very seriously and we W walk outside we couldn't turn
Chapter 6: Clip 5: Description of the treatment of the guards at the CCC camp towards the Japanese men who refused to sign the loyalty oath.
11:0211 minutes, 2 secondsthe lights on because the master switch was on the outside and the soldiers had already
11:0911 minutes, 9 secondsturned the master switch off cuz we was in bed and we had a curfew we had to be
11:1611 minutes, 16 secondsin bed at a certain time I guess that's military well anyhow we go outside and it's pit
11:2511 minutes, 25 secondsback and pretty soon they turn on this light the lights are f faing you and the line of soldiers in back of the lights
11:3211 minutes, 32 secondsand we're only about 15 20 yards apart so we could see the soldiers
11:4011 minutes, 40 secondsexpression and some look like they didn't give a damn we're a bunch of disloyal Americans and if you guys make
11:4811 minutes, 48 secondsany kind of move we're going to shoot you well anyhow the soldiers are all loading their weapon and uh our our U we
11:5611 minutes, 56 secondscould hear them but we couldn't see them yet because our eyes aren't accustomed to the dark and when finally we got our
12:0412 minutes, 4 secondsour eyes got accustomed to the dark we can see a line of soldiers about seven or eight soldiers and a machine gun and seven or
12:1312 minutes, 13 secondseight other soldiers on the other side the machine gun and we're probably 15 20 yards apart and
12:2212 minutes, 22 secondsuh why were they my mind told me I was facing a firing squad politics
12:2912 minutes, 29 secondsI mean why would somebody get you out in the middle of the night for no reason that I know of and you're looking at the bunch of
12:3912 minutes, 39 secondssoldiers with guns and we know that they're they loaded their weapons because we could see them loading their weapons and why would they be loading
12:4812 minutes, 48 secondstheir weapons and what is V of soldiers doing in front of us and why were we waking in the middle of the night and
12:5512 minutes, 55 secondswe're standing outside there in the line it was warm so uh we're in our pajamas or shorts or
13:0313 minutes, 3 secondsnight clothes anyhow we're we're in the line and my mind told me this is a firing squad
13:1113 minutes, 11 secondsand you're deciding what to do if it really happen are you going to stand there and get shot or you going to you
13:1913 minutes, 19 secondsknow try to escape or keep from getting shot well all kinds of things like this runs through your
13:2713 minutes, 27 secondsmind and uh it turned out to be it wasn't a firing squad but a soldier I
13:3313 minutes, 33 secondsguess he was the the head officer of that particular group he came forward and says nobody is
13:4113 minutes, 41 secondsgoing to get escaped while he was in charge and he repeated this several
13:4813 minutes, 48 secondstimes and everybody heard him I'm sure because he spoke in a real loud voice then he says go back to
13:5513 minutes, 55 secondsbed and the next morning was just routine like nothing ever happened we went to the garbage dump
Chapter 7: Clip 6: Description of a positive experience with one of the guards at the CCC camp.
14:0314 minutes, 3 secondswhich was a couple hundred yards away from the mesle and we went to the dump and we unloaded
14:1214 minutes, 12 secondsthe garbage and I asked the soldier our guard if he had any bullets for his
14:2014 minutes, 20 secondsgun and he says yeah I got one bullet and his his gun was a this is
14:2814 minutes, 28 secondsanother the one like the gangster used during the prohibition time it's a machine
14:3614 minutes, 36 secondsgun um and uh I asked him uh afterwards that
14:4514 minutes, 45 secondsif he' shot well I'm getting ahead of myself um I asked him if he knew any Japanese
14:5314 minutes, 53 secondspeople and he says uh he was from San Francisco and when he was going to
15:0015 minutesschool he says my best friend was Japanese and we unloaded the garbage and I asked
15:0715 minutes, 7 secondshim can I see your gun now I'm asking the guard I want to see your I'm the prisoner he's the guard and I'm asking
15:1615 minutes, 16 secondshim I want to see your gun and he says well let's get on the other side of the truck just in case somebody is watching
15:2415 minutes, 24 secondsus from the camp which was only several hundred yards away so we get on the other side of the truck and he takes his
15:3115 minutes, 31 secondsone bullet out and he hands me his gun I'm the prisoner he's the guard you don't hand the guns to prisoners but
15:4015 minutes, 40 secondsanyhow he trusted us and he knew Japanese because his best friend was Japanese he apologized for the way Uncle
15:4815 minutes, 48 secondsSam was treating us how President Roosevelt was treating us and U he says I'm a soldier I have to
15:5715 minutes, 57 secondstake orders from the superiors and I have to do what they say regardless if I knew it's right or wrong I have to do
16:0516 minutes, 5 secondswhat they say so he apologized and after a
16:1116 minutes, 11 secondswhile uh after we saw it handed we had more than one person you know taking the
16:1816 minutes, 18 secondsgarbage out so we passed the gun around and then we gave him his gun back first question was will you sign
Chapter 8: Clip 7: Additional information about one of the guards at the CCC camp.
16:2716 minutes, 27 secondsthe royalty papers now because they thought that we were being punished that I was punished
16:3416 minutes, 34 secondsEnough by being put in jail now at the CC I says my mind is not changed it's still the same I'm not signing that
16:4316 minutes, 43 secondsuntil I get back I got to be home in gley before I'll I'll sign and uh I says I'm a loyal American
16:5216 minutes, 52 secondscitizen I did nothing wrong and as far as I'm concerned you guys are the on doing the wrong
17:0117 minutes, 1 secondthing I had breaken no laws I did what any loyal American citizen would do when
17:0917 minutes, 9 secondsI was 18 years turned 18 I registered for the Social Security I was ready to
17:1517 minutes, 15 secondsserve I was classified 1A and then when Pearl
Chapter 9: Clip 8: Description of his families experience in dealing with racism when they returned. Includes a story about Eleanor Roosevelt.
17:2217 minutes, 22 secondsHarbor soon after PE Harbor I was reclassified to 4C and for SE to my
17:3017 minutes, 30 secondsunderstanding was an enemy alien how can I be an enemy alien when I was an American
17:3817 minutes, 38 secondscitizen I was classified 1A as the American citizen I was classified 4C and I'm still an American citizen but the
17:4717 minutes, 47 secondsclassification says I'm now an enemy alien so I told him as long as
17:5617 minutes, 56 secondsI'm I'm a prisoner I'm not signing anything send me home to my where I
18:0518 minutes, 5 secondsevacuated from where I was forced to leave my town in Gridley show me your papers and I'll gladly sign yes
18:1318 minutes, 13 secondsyes he went to Sacramento to buy a new uh you buy a car we tried the dealers in
18:2018 minutes, 20 secondsGridley and uh the guy says yeah we can put your name down on the list but
18:2718 minutes, 27 secondsyou're down here 10 15 names below and new cars you got one a month or something like that that's all they
18:3418 minutes, 34 secondscould get cuz they were manufacturing cars they were still manufacturing War uh uh equipment that they used for the
18:4318 minutes, 43 secondswar and they hadn't changed over for the civilian so we needed a car
18:5018 minutes, 50 secondstoday so he goes to Sacramento and he buys a car that he thought would serve our our
18:5718 minutes, 57 secondsneeds and on the way back after he bought the car it was a stormy day it was rainy in
19:0619 minutes, 6 secondsSacramento he had an accident and I don't know if he had insurance or not because if you had a
19:1319 minutes, 13 secondscar and you traded it in most insurance companies would transfer your your coverage for your old car to the
19:2119 minutes, 21 secondsdifferent car that you you acquired so I don't think that uh we had insurance or he had insurance
19:2919 minutes, 29 secondswell this guy that uh run into my brother or my brother run into the other the guy didn't like Japs and he says I'm
19:3919 minutes, 39 secondsgoing to make an example out of this why we don't want Japs in California and especially if he doesn't have
19:4719 minutes, 47 secondsinsurance and for some reason I don't know what the reason was elano Rosevelt heard
19:5519 minutes, 55 secondsabout this the first lady you know the the president's wife heard about this
20:0320 minutes, 3 secondsaccident and she wrote a note to this lawyer says if you want to pursue what you're
20:1020 minutes, 10 secondssaying he says you're going to have to deal with me so he dropped it and that was end of
20:1820 minutes, 18 secondsthat and uh I was thinking you know the president
20:2520 minutes, 25 secondsher husband is the one that put us behind Bob wire fence and his wife the
20:3220 minutes, 32 secondsfirst lady would stand behind us and I I I really think one is
20:4020 minutes, 40 secondspolitics and one is human nature and I think Ela Rosevelt stuck up for
20:4820 minutes, 48 secondsus when I was in Camp when I was a prisoner I didn't think I was a resistor
Chapter 10: Clip 9: Description of why he became a resistor - based on his education and recognition that the US was not living up to its ideals. Difficulty in leaving everything behind.
20:5720 minutes, 57 secondsI wasn't an active IST um I didn't talk about you know what the United States
21:0721 minutes, 7 secondsgovernment was doing to us all I know in my mind when I went to grammar school we had to pass the history test we studied
21:1621 minutes, 16 secondsthe Constitution we studied the Bill of Rights recovered almost anything and
21:2621 minutes, 26 secondsum what my govern is doing to me
21:3221 minutes, 32 secondsnow just because my ancestry is Japanese I'm looked on as an enemy I
21:4021 minutes, 40 secondsdidn't do anything I don't know nothing about Japan the only thing I know about
21:4621 minutes, 46 secondsJapan is my parents came from there now you take that a step further the war in
21:5321 minutes, 53 secondsGermany and Italy was going on why weren't those persons rounded up
22:0322 minutes, 3 secondslike the the Japanese people with Japanese ancestry why were they rounded
22:1122 minutes, 11 secondsup people in Hawaii they select and chose who they wanted behind
22:1822 minutes, 18 secondsbars but in California Oregon Washington part of Arizona even
22:2722 minutes, 27 secondsAlaska if you had Japanese ancestry regardless if it was 1% or 100% it
22:3422 minutes, 34 secondsdidn't matter you were shipped off you were forced by the government to
22:4222 minutes, 42 secondsmove and uh so to me while I was a
22:4922 minutes, 49 secondsprisoner I never talked about being an activist I knew what they did and what I
22:5722 minutes, 57 secondslearned in school this is wrong the Constitution says we have a right we weren't charged with anything we weren't
23:0623 minutes, 6 secondstried the Constitution says we have a right to be charged and we have a right to be
23:1323 minutes, 13 secondscharged and uh we have a right to hear have a trial we weren't we were denied all
23:2123 minutes, 21 secondsthese rights and of course martial law took over and some of these things don't apply when martial law takes over but
23:3023 minutes, 30 secondsthere was a time before martial law took took effect the civilian statutes were still in
23:3723 minutes, 37 secondseffect and those people that lived along the coastline uh San Diego Los Angeles San
23:4423 minutes, 44 secondsFrancisco Seattle you know those people they had very short
23:5123 minutes, 51 secondstime to get the things in order to move and some of the people
23:5923 minutes, 59 secondsthat had grocery stores some of the people had business if you were given 20 days 10
24:0724 minutes, 7 secondsdays you're going to be forced to move even a Bach there that can just pack his things up and put it in a
24:1624 minutes, 16 secondsduffel bag or a suitcase says okay I'm ready to go he would have no problem but if you
24:2324 minutes, 23 secondshave a family if you have a home if you have a business if if you have some kind of inventory in your business how are you
24:3124 minutes, 31 secondsgoing to get rid of this how are you going to pack well my understanding is the people
24:3924 minutes, 39 secondsthat lived on the coast had a very very short time to get ready to move before they were forced to
Chapter 11: Clip 10: Description of what happened to the Japanese people upon their return from camp and how their things were stolen.
24:4724 minutes, 47 secondsmove the people that had these inventories they had Furniture in the house you
24:5524 minutes, 55 secondsknow and uh they start packing their stuff and storing in the warehouse well the government says we'll can we'll give
25:0425 minutes, 4 secondsyou the names of the warehouse they wasn't going to help you move but so some of the warehouses refused to
25:1525 minutes, 15 secondstake uh furniture or storage for people of Japanese ancestry some of them
25:2225 minutes, 22 secondsaccepted because they took them for arm and a leg they really charged High High uh uh
25:3025 minutes, 30 secondsrent and some of them says we're sorry this is happening and we'll store it to
25:3725 minutes, 37 secondsyou for the standard charge that we and some of them didn't charge anything say
25:4425 minutes, 44 secondsso we'll just keep up for you well some of them for some reason some part of that building caught on
25:5325 minutes, 53 secondsfire and the stuff that was stored there disappeared it was just a little part of it caught
26:0126 minutes, 1 secondon fire it wasn't the whole building but the whole thing was this was set up it
26:0726 minutes, 7 secondswas an excuse that the thing burned up and uh this man that I was talking to you about there was a resident here in
26:1626 minutes, 16 secondsmanzar I talked to him and he says they couldn't find the place that would accept their their storage that they
26:2526 minutes, 25 secondscould afford so they put it in a I think it was at the church of some some I don't know if it was a
26:3326 minutes, 33 secondsBuddhist Church or there was nobody there you know it was locked in the building but there was nobody there but
26:4126 minutes, 41 secondswhen they came back everything was gone my sister and I was in
Chapter 12: Clip 11: Describes experiences when he returned to Gridley and the racism he and his family experienced including an incident with his former coach.
26:4826 minutes, 48 secondstown and U we went to the grocery store and she
26:5526 minutes, 55 secondshad a grocery list she picked out her Supply and we took it to the counter to get checked out well all the people that
27:0327 minutes, 3 secondsworked there all disappeared and went the back of the store and wouldn't check our
27:1027 minutes, 10 secondsgroceries so my sister says let's go home so we left everything there and we came
27:1727 minutes, 17 secondshome and uh after we came home we returned the car to the people that we
27:2427 minutes, 24 secondsborrow the car from those are the people that released our our Ranch and we told them what happened
27:3127 minutes, 31 secondsthey says don't worry we'll go and pick up your groceries so she wrote out a list and they went over there and picked up the
27:3927 minutes, 39 secondsgroceries and this was in 1944 um
27:4927 minutes, 49 secondsprobably April May something like that and
27:5727 minutes, 57 secondsuh as time went on I met my coach my high school
28:0428 minutes, 4 secondsteacher I played a little basketball and uh he was a PE teacher and he was a
28:1028 minutes, 10 secondscoach and I played little Baseball and Little basketball so I got to know him fairly well and
28:1728 minutes, 17 secondsI presumed that he knew me Fair well well anyhow I was in town one day and I
28:2328 minutes, 23 secondsrun into him I stuck out my hand and told him I'm back and I asked him how he
28:3028 minutes, 30 secondswas and I put my hand out and he looked at me and says you're on the wrong
28:3728 minutes, 37 secondsside he turned his back to me and he walked away well after we got a ranch back we
28:4528 minutes, 45 secondswas farming peaches again and he this High School teacher and Coach he retired from
28:5428 minutes, 54 secondsteaching and he became a peach farmer like us and one of the pach Gathering he was
29:0129 minutes, 1 secondthere he came towards me he recognized me out there he came towards me and he
29:0829 minutes, 8 secondslifted his hand extended his arm and I told him get out of my face
29:1629 minutes, 16 secondsand go to hell I'm not shaking your hand I turned my back and I walked
29:2329 minutes, 23 secondsaway and for some reason this
29:3029 minutes, 30 secondsthat just sticks in my mind the camp life that I spent two years sort of
29:3729 minutes, 37 secondsFades away now but that that one instant is still fresh in my mind and I just
29:4529 minutes, 45 secondscan't seem to forget that this person knew me and that's the way my friends were
29:5329 minutes, 53 secondsthe people that went to school with the people that I knew in town they turned their back to
29:5929 minutes, 59 secondsme and after oh four or five years we were accepted as good American
30:0830 minutes, 8 secondscitizen again now I have a bunch of good
30:1530 minutes, 15 secondsfriends quotation marks around friends the same people that I knew
30:2230 minutes, 22 secondsbefore that turned their back to me and now after four or five years I'm accepted as one of them
30:3130 minutes, 31 secondsagain um in my mind I can't accept them as good friends no more friends yes but
30:3830 minutes, 38 secondsnot good friends they're only friends because of their convenience not
30:4630 minutes, 46 secondsmine and it's really hard to say that you have a friend I mean a true friend that would back you
30:5530 minutes, 55 secondsup regardless right or wrong that would stand behind you I don't think I have one person that would do that for me I don't
31:0431 minutes, 4 secondsknow if it's my fault of what I did or what but uh I don't think I have a person that I can
31:1331 minutes, 13 secondscount on if I says help me financially I could understand but
31:2231 minutes, 22 secondsmorally I don't know if I've got one like that my wife she would do that and
31:2931 minutes, 29 secondsI would do it for her but uh uh that's different we was at custard's Monument
Chapter 13: Clip 12: Describes an experience in Montana at Custer's monument with an American Indian - explores the importance of telling his story.
31:3531 minutes, 35 secondsin Montana this is where General custard got killed and U there was an Indian that I
31:4431 minutes, 44 secondsmet over there and the first thing he asked me am I Japanese and I says yeah I'm Japanese
31:5331 minutes, 53 secondsAmerican I was born in California and he says that did you go to school in California and I says yeah
31:5931 minutes, 59 secondsI went to grammar school and went to high school then after high school I says I didn't go to college I decided
32:0732 minutes, 7 secondsthat I want to farm so I start to farm peaches then he told me about himself and he says I'm an American uh natural
32:1732 minutes, 17 secondsAmerican citizen I'm an Indian full-blooded Indian and uh he says I went to grammar
32:2432 minutes, 24 secondsschool and high school I went to college in college he says I earned a couple of uh
32:3132 minutes, 31 secondsphds and he says I'm an electronic engineer and he's there at custard's
32:3832 minutes, 38 secondsMonument selling Indian artifacts and he's not well dressed or anything and the custard's monument is pretty
32:4732 minutes, 47 secondsmuch like this country right here it's wide open and you see grave markers all over the place if you've been there you
32:5432 minutes, 54 secondssee the any out the he's I asked him why are you here with your
33:0233 minutes, 2 secondseducation you could be making six- figure income instead of you know to me he he was trying to make a living selling Indian
33:1133 minutes, 11 secondsartifact but he says you know it's not the money he says I'm not here to make money
33:1933 minutes, 19 secondshe says I'm here to tell the Indian side of the story what the Indians went
33:2633 minutes, 26 secondsthrough he says the the Indians weren't the bad guys the white men the one that started the whole thing they were the one that
33:3433 minutes, 34 secondsinvaded our land and we were we were only only protecting our land we were only
33:4233 minutes, 42 secondsdefending our land the Indians were not the guys that the the history book makes us to be the bad
33:5033 minutes, 50 secondsguys so this why he's here he says what would you do if something that belongs to you something was trying to take it
33:5933 minutes, 59 secondsyou would resist and that's why I'm here and trying to tell this
34:0734 minutes, 7 secondsstory cu the the story that uh I'm telling is going to disappear and it's going to be
34:1534 minutes, 15 secondsforgotten and um like I say the the people that was ined while I was there at the CCE camp they're
34:2534 minutes, 25 secondsgone and uh I'm one of the few surviv we're on the endangered
34:3134 minutes, 31 secondslist so this is why I'm like that Indian I want to the young people that are here
34:3934 minutes, 39 secondsthere's a lot of people here that uh that uh are not Japanese ancestry at least as you look at
34:4734 minutes, 47 secondsthem but they're younger and they didn't experience what we went
34:5334 minutes, 53 secondsthrough and I'm just hoping against hope some emergency does come out happen
35:0135 minutes, 1 secondagain that some other group will have to do the same thing that we
35:0735 minutes, 7 secondsdid cuz hysteria War hysteria has a long history like with the black black
35:1535 minutes, 15 secondspersons like with the Indians they all ended up in a different place even with the Constitution and the
35:2235 minutes, 22 secondsBill of Rights didn't mean anything at the time
Chapter 14: Credits
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