Adrian Glamorgan
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Sophie McNeill is at Garden Island - Western Australian military base.
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LIBS & LABOR WANT TO SPEND $368 BILLION TO ALIGN WITH THIS??

The US is not an ally Australia or anyone can rely on.
America does not support international law. It sides with dictators and it arms & funds genocide.
This is not the future we want for Australia!
This state election only @thegreenswa are speaking out against the AUKUS military deal & pushing to stop our beautiful Cockburn Sound from turning into a US military nuclear submarine base.
Why should Australian taxpayers spend $368 billion to align with these madmen??
#standwithukraine

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Greg Rolles
I think using Zelensky as an example is poor form unfortunately. A broken clock is right twice a day, and the US seeking to end the Ukraine war as quickly as possible is a good idea. Those on the left jumping to a pro-war stance without accurately looking at the history of this conflict is unnerving, subconcious support of the weapons industry. This is a messy, no clean answer, but we have to remember Russian trauma from numerous Western invasions of Russia over the last few hundred years, decimating the country. As Russia has done to Ukraine. More war is not the answer and Friends sharing the pro-war propaganda is pretty astounding to me.
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Adrian Glamorgan
Totally agree with you.It depends which part you think I’m agreeing with in the story. Yes, let’s stop the war. But how to do it when there is a ruthless and (on the record of it) untrustworthy Russian president? The peace movement needs to develop a separate strategy for unreasonable leaders too. As with Russia, now with the US. I don’t think we can count on the US, even when one isn’t as overtly extreme as the 47th one. The US always acts in its own best interests, and even when it doesn’t (like with the current prez) it does not take into account its allies’ interests. Interoperability and “joint” facilities really surrender our sovereignty and take away limits to our capacity to restrain total conventional and nuclear war, should the US choose to use our facilities to launch any. But then there is the treatment at an interpersonal level of the Ukranian president. The difference here is that the US president made a public showing of what happens sometimes behind doors. So there’s that bullying one can see, that often goes behind closed doors - usually when Labor is looking good in Opposition, and needs to reassure the US embassy just across from parliament that they won’t do a Whitlam on the US. I also would like to see peace, as both Ukranian and Russian soldiers (and in Russian case, disproportionately indigenous and non-Moscow Russians) have been traumatised, and that horror will ricochet down the generations to come. But Soviet and then Russian military’s strategies and tactics in the second world war and in the Ukraine shows scant regard for their own people’s lives, sending untrained troops into meat grinding affairs, and ignoring Geneva conventions… there can be little sentiment for their leadership, even though one can respect their conscripts’ need to find a way out of the frontline. War traumatises. That’s it. Let’s stop it now. But there’s stopping and stopping. Greater strategists than mine know how it’s best done. But I’m pretty sure it doesn’t involve open trust in the true intentions of the US and Russian leaders… what do you think?
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