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Join the Library, Loyalty Bookstores, and the Mayor's Office of Asian and Pacific Islander Affairs for 

a conversation with Curtis Chin about his new memoir Everything I Learned, I Learned in a Chinese Restaurant. In conversation with MOAPIA Director Ben de Guzman, Chin will share from his book about growing up Chinese-American and gay in Detroit in the 1980's.

Nineteen eighties Detroit was a volatile place to live, but above the fray stood a safe haven: Chung’s Cantonese Cuisine, where anyone—from the city’s first Black mayor to the local drag queens, from a big-time Hollywood star to elderly Jewish couples—could sit down for a warm, home-cooked meal. Here was where, beneath a bright-red awning and surrounded by his multigenerational family, filmmaker and activist Curtis Chin came of age; where he learned to embrace his identity as a gay ABC, or American-born Chinese; where he navigated the divided city’s spiraling misfortunes; and where—between helpings of almond boneless chicken, sweet-and-sour pork, and some of his own, less-savory culinary concoctions—he realized just how much he had to offer to the world, to his beloved family, and to himself.


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thank you David can we give David and dcpl another  round of [Applause] applause as he said uh well as  
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he said my name is bendy gizman I'm with the  mayor's office on Asian and Pacific Islander   Affairs and we have been really proud to partner  with dcpl as well as uh loyalty books Christine is  
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outside um and uh other folks from their uh  Team are here to help with the book signing  
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after words uh but yeah no so uh I am pleased  to welcome you to tonight's event October is a  
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lot of things we're celebrating a lot of things  here it's half of Hispanic Heritage Month uh it  
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is uh Breast Cancer Awareness Month uh it's  Philipino American History Month I shouldn't  
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forget that uh but uh perhaps most uh directly  related to tonight's discussion it is in fact  
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lgbtq history month so it's really timely that  you're here Curtis C Curtis and I are old friends  
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in the interest of full transparency um but uh as  you kick off your tour it just started right like  
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yesterday that's Tuesday yeah yeah yeah the book  came out Tuesday um but it's really great to have  
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you here during lgbtq History Month it's great  to have you here in Chinatown uh so Chinatown is  
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part of a larger Citywide discussion that we're  having in Washington about how we come back from  
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Co 19 I mean obviously as Asian Americans and  Pacific Islanders we have had our own kind of  
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up and down experience with uh respect to coid  but um our role right now is to make sure that  
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uh we remind folks that Chinatown continues to  be the gateway to downtown and the Chinatown Arch  
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works both ways right on one hand we welcome uh  DC to Chinatown but at the same time we connect  
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Chinatown to all the conversations that the mayor  has been having about downtown DC and how we need  
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to come back stronger from Co so uh if you want to  use the hash B downtown I will encourage you to do  
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that as well but uh regardless my plug of of the  mayor aside uh tonight we're here to welcome uh  
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Curtis obviously writer SL producer/director  activist from his website everything uh he's  
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a co-founder of the Asian-American Writers  Workshop in New York City Curtis chin served as   the nonprofit first executive director uh he went  on to write for network in cable television before  
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transitioning to social justice documentaries CH  uh Chen screened his films at over 600 venues in  
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20 countries wow okay um his documentary he  sound surprised it's a lot uh his documentary  
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Vincent who about the legacy of the hate crime  murderer Vincent chin in Detroit um is one of his  
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documentaries and Ben makes a cameo I was going  to say okay it's the reason why I have an entry in
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imdb.com no but uh but uh Curtis has written for  CNN bone Appetit the Detroit Free Press and the  
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emancipator uh Boston Globe uh he is a proud  Michigan Alum go Blue a lot of Michigan people  
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here and uh Curtis has received awards from ABC  Disney television New York foundation for the Arts  
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the National Endowment for the Arts um and many  more his essay in bone appetite was just selected  
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for best food writing in America 2023 and I think  that's something we might revisit as uh we talk  
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about food oh yeah that just came out on Tuesday  as well I both yeah so there's a lot of media that  
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Curtis has been appearing in uh as a result of  his Memoir but uh but before we actually start  
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I did want to actually thank a number of the other  organizations that have also been responsible for   bringing him here uh OCA DC the DMV chapter of  OCA asian-pacific American Advocates uh the 1882  
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Foundation Ted gong is here uh the Asian-American  journalists Association I know that I've talked  
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to at least one or two of the members that  are here obviously the University of Michigan alumni and a group that's close to my heart  Asian Pacific Ander queers United for Action  
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uh they also help promote um yeah so uh I have I  I have some questions I want to make sure we have  
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time for questions from the audience as well  but I wanted to start by letting you talk a   little bit about yourself folks don't know you  for 20 years like I have uh but yeah anything  
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you want to say about the book and and that sort  of thing so everyone Curtis chin okay uh thank  
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you everybody thank you for coming in the warm uh  welcome here uh I love coming to DC uh so as Ben  
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mentioned the book is called Everything I learned  I learned in a Chinese restaurant and it came out   this past Tuesday uh and I'm sort of at the start  of a 40 City Tour um to promote it yeah and it's  
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beginning a lot of great press but you know as  the title implies it's about growing up in my   family's Chinese restaurant and I like to say that  this wasn't just any Chinese restaurant in Detroit  
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this was the Chinese restaurant in Detroit and  so I sorted throw out a fig I asked the audience  
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like to guess how many egg rows do you think we  made in the 60 years that we own because this is   proof that you know we are the best any guesses  60 years and these are all like handmade even the  
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skin and the sauce no math Majors here we sold  over 10 million eggr like it was a really really  
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popular Chinese restaurant and so it was a really  great place to to grow up despite Detroit in the  
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80s being a very very difficult time place I  mean you know you had the Auto industry that   was struggling you had uh crack cocaine you had  AIDS I personally knew five people murdered by  
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the time I was 18 years old but despite that  you know my parents provided this safe Oasis  
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in the middle of the cast Corridor one of the more  difficult areas of the city um and they were able   to raise uh six kids and so this book is sort  of a thank you to my parents thank you to that  
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restaurant but also thank you to my hometown of  Detroit um for providing me a great springboard  
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to sort of move forward um and so do you want me  to start and read uh the okay so what I'm going  
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to do is I'm just going to read quickly a short  passage from the prologue and that'll set us up   um for some of the questions that you have and  so the book is div dived into three sections of  
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eight stories each 888 for people who know Chinese  Superstition so they're all kinds of little Easter   eggs like that uh so the first eight stories are  elementary middle school and then eight stories in  
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high school and then eight in college um U ofm  so uh I'm just going to start and read um the  
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first part okay this from the prologue welcome to  chongs this is for here to go armed with a smile  
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in a red waiter jacket with a Perpetual plum  sauce stain that's how my dad greeted any new   face who entered the lobby of our popular Chinese  restaurant in Detroit interestingly my great great  
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grandpa gong Le chin had faced the same question  in the late 1800s as he stood cold and alone on a  
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rickety dock in guango China trying to decide his  future and that of his young impoverished family  
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for here or to go for here or to go as I got  older it was a question I asked myself starting  
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in our restaurant's long and open back kitchen  where my family made some of our most popular   items including the tangiest barbecue pork and  best smelling almond cookies my mom taught me  
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my first lessons before diving into math English  and geography she began with a little American  
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history tells of Elders and ancestors our family  is prologue and so the rest of the prologue sort  
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of continues with my family's backstory talking  about how my great- great-grandfather moved from   Canton China to Canton Ohio before realizing  there weren't Chinese people there and then  
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moving up to Detroit and following my family you  know through the depression and stuff like that   and finally reaching uh in 1967 Detroit had this  thing called the Detroit Riots which we call the  
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Rebellion now and during that time period for  the first time ever my family had to Clos the   restaurant right for five straight days and during  that time period my parents actually had sex and  
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so I was born uh you know uh nine months later as  their Riot baby and so I feel like that's why I  
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inevitably talk about race a lot because without  that little incident I probably wouldn't be here   so so the rest of the book sort of continues about  there and it it was that original question of for  
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here to go do I stay with my family in this really  wonderful restaurant you know and the city that I  
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love or do I have to go out and be myself not only  just because of the gay thing uh but also because  
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Detroit itself there was just so few opportunities  um you know at that time there I mean there just   didn't seem like to be a future in the city and  so that's that's what a lot of the book is about  
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you know is that that tug that I was having so  yeah it's a really powerful beginning right for  
8:56
here to go and I was like oh wow okay we're in it  yeah yeah um so three parts right so uh actually  
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the three questions that I have prepared okay so  that works out also um but so uh October is lgbtq  
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History Month okay and I've been thinking a lot  about um Coming of Age as much as coming out right  
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so our office uh just hosted a screen on the green  thing uh event in Chinatown Park couple weeks ago  
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to celebrate mid-autumn festival and we showed  turning red if folks know that movie it's about a  
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young girl and her coming of age and the feelings  down there and like woo um and one of the things  
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that actually was so powerful for me as someone  who did not experience coming of age as a young  
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girl is you know how she began to feel about the  crushes that she had on the boy band and you know  
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her period and what have you sorry spoilers yeah  but the other kind of coming of age story that um  
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I also was thinking about as I was reading this  was uh the best little boy in the world which was  
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I guess his uh name is uh his pen name was John  Reed and um oh my God why am I forgetting his name  
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he is a DNC uh fundraiser now um Andrew Tobias yes  Andrew Tobias so what's interesting to me about  
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both like coming of age stories in general is how  you think about kind of your emerging feelings of  
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romance or sex or what have you and some of them  are naughtier than others I don't think we get to  
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hear enough about how girls feel about you know  the naughty feelings you know uh so what did you  
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think about there's a couple of stories that  he tells at the risk of no spoilers about kind  
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of your your beginnings of your realization of uh  of liking boys okay so how do you as a writer how  
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do you decide to write about that how much do you  reveal how naughty do you make it like what's your  
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process uh well first I should say that like uh I  did I joined a bunch of writing groups and there   was this uh one group that I joined actually  in Scotland because I could do it online and  
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there was an elderly Scottish guy who's like you  know probably like 70 or 80 years old and he you  
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know he was a bit conservative and he actually  asked like is there a lot of sex in this book   and I actually said to him don't worry luckily I  didn't have very much sex you know growing up and  
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so you it's a very familyfriendly in that sense  but um in terms of the process of actually coming   out I mean you know I don't know how it was for  you but at first you don't understand what it is  
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right you just have these really basic impulse  of like oh here's a really attractive boy I like   to hang out with him you know he just you just  get this energy around them right and then you  
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at some point realize oh it's something more and  I think that growing up in the area that I grew  
12:05
up in which was called the cast Corridor it was  like kind of the red light district where you're   literally exposed to you know prostitutes and you  know pimps and you know all this kind of stuff I  
12:15
think you do you're exposed to things much faster  and so I was aware of these things uh much earlier  
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um you know because yeah you're just surrounded by  it so maybe it's slightly different than growing   up in the suburbs I think yeah my first crush was  Wonder woman but then I realized I wanted to be  
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her not no no whatever yeah no My First Crush was  the Filipino boy in Chinatown you know which I  
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called the Filipino Fonzi because he had like you  know his little curly hair and his white t-shirts   uh and then I started having crushes on our on  our workers at the restaurant so that's how I  
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sort of got started yeah nice so another uh do you  want to read another section and then cuz I have  
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a couple of questions and I think maybe it'll be  cute if you there's another thing that you want to  
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read um oh okay I'll read this part because it's  really because I I want to make sure we save time  
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for me to read the story about my mom because I  always like to read that story but uh I'll read   a really quick uh section this is also from the  first section of the book um and IT addresses  
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what you were talking about like that idea of just  coming out okay uh and it's another short section  
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so this is um so I I numbered all the chapters  like a Chinese menu so this is A6 okay sorry  
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in Detroit the mtown sound was everywhere and  in my mind the one and only Diana Ross reigned   Supreme her sweet youthful voice combined with  her radiant smile served as an inspiration to  
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me in addition to sharing Chinese zodiac signs the  year of the monkey we were from the same area the  
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international Superstar had gone up blocks from  our restaurant in the Brewster Douglas housing   projects the largest Government funding housing in  Michigan though Ross's label mtown record record  
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had abandoned the city a decade ago I used to  fantasize that one day the singer would make   a splashy return and we'd share a dinner for  two in our front booth when I reached seventh  
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grade Diana's hit I'm coming out came bursting  onto the airwaves you guys all know that song   Right hopefully it's a great song anyway um I'm  not going to sing it for you but it's trust me  
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it's a good song I was 12 and the term coming out  was new to me I'd never heard it before I thought  
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it was cool but I didn't think it had anything to  do with being gay or lesbian the lyrics were more   Universal the song Champion personal freedom and  Independence I could definitely relate as there  
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were four adults in our house each with a thousand  Heavenly mandates whenever the song came on the  
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radio I cranked up the volume and channeled my  inner Diva unfortunately one morning before we   opened as I sang along in the dining room I had  an unexpected audience Derek one of our younger  
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waiters a member of the old kung fu Club the John  Chila wanabe had a ripped chest that he liked to  
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show off by leaving a button or two undone as  I shook my booty and stretched my lips pink   Chopstick and in hand he snuck up behind me and  when I turned around he swished his hand from side  
15:03
to side his limp wrist may not have been aemotion  in American Sign Language but the gesture was so  
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well known that even a Chinese waiter from Hong  Kong understood what it meant it meant [ __ ]  
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thankfully no one else was in the room and dererk  had the memory of a goldfish he never brought up   my dancing again but his accusation put fear in  me no one in my family had ever said anything  
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anti-gay not even not even my grandma who could  spout some pretty offensive things about race and   gender but no one said anything positive about  being gay either that left a big question mark  
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in my mind how would they react if it turned out  to be true that I was that way back in the early  
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1980s the perception of gays and lesbians outside  the major cities pre-s and prepr parades was much  
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harsher more toxic than it is today there were  no positive role models in music television or   film homosexuals were lumped in with drug users  alcoholics and pedophiles there was no guarantee  
15:53
that things would get better but despite my  resistance and denial and the many cold showers   I I took I couldn't ignore my growing attraction  to boys it happened too often to be a fluke or a  
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one-off until I could figure out what this all  meant I needed space to sort it through to buy  
16:08
myself time I tried myself to I tried my best to  blend in after the close call with Derek I paid  
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more attention to the way my body moved in the  world how I walked and talked and ate and laughed   I started to notice how others were perceiving  me too while I didn't think I had any effeminate  
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habits I still tried to Butch things up no more  silly dancing to the queen of Motown I needed   to find a strong respectable male role model  preferably one who is straight uh I won't continue  
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reading that story but that's a story that then  leads into like looking to the screen and you   know like seeing Asian-American male images and  there's I usually read a br Bruce Lee Story so  
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if you guys have Bruce Lee fans in here there's a  Bruce Lee Story in here for you okay well first of   all I appreciate the fact that you're giving away  more spoilers than I am so okay sorry no no no uh  
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hopefully they're teasers to make sure people  there's a lot of Pop cultureal reference in   the book cuz I thought that was fun to do and then  second of all I forgot that you use the word booty  
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oh so that was cool I'm dating myself but but uh  it makes me again think about the whole idea of  
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coming out right I mean it's something that we  have read into Diana Ross's song right cuz it's  
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not like that you know uh but it also thinking  about turning red again you know it's the idea  
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of living in your truth you know like we all have  that fear of showing our authentic selves you know  
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whether it's because you're gay or because you're  you know whatever uh but that fear that you cannot  
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show who you really are into the world because if  you do you'll be shunned or you'll turn into a big  
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red panda or whatever so um what do you think  about the kind of universality of the idea of  
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living in your truth I mean I think that you know  we we talk about kind of Niche stories and for so  
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long writers of color queer writers have been  told that you know our stories aren't going to  
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be aren't going to sell because people can't re  can't see themselves in them but we have to see  
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ourselves in essentially white and straight people  narratives all the time right so what do you think  
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about kind of or what was your process in thinking  about sort of generality in your specific story  
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well um well the way you start off that question  was about like you know your universal truth being   who you you are and because this is DC I'll give  another spoiler alert so uh my my high school  
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years I was a young Republican so if you guys know  me I'm not that anymore uh and so I think that  
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part of it was that because one of the accusations  that they have about asian-americans is that we're   not very loyal to this country right so I was  going to out patriate all the white kids at  
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school like I was like a class president president  of National Honor Society I went to boy State I  
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founded the young Republican Club this is like  during the I mean students against smoking I did   all that stuff like I used to joke that Margaret  Thatcher was my first girlfriend like I was really  
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that I was that bad it seem friends of yours in  the audience their heads are exploding right now   sorry but that was my way of sort of like staying  in the closet right like uh of hiding of of uh  
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not wanting to be perceived as uh you know an  outsider right I wanted to blend in cuz that's  
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what happened my family had moved to an area that  was 95 98% white and so I thought that that was  
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how I needed to behave to sort of to get along  right and much same way that I was probably hiding  
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my sexuality I felt like that was a good cover for  my race right like um then people wouldn't notice  
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my race if they saw me just waving this giant  American flag so yeah I we all have we all find  
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different ways to hide right and to yeah I was the  Asian Alex P Keaton that's what I called myself he  
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was really cute come on all right go ahead so  uh I have a question uh AO what ises that mean  
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oh those are the old Chinese ladies that went yeah  yeah and I asked that it is one of the words that  
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appears in the book uh because there are certain  things that you describe right there are certain  
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things that you translate there are certain things  that you don't translate whether it's Chinese like  
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the language exactly or whether it's like Concepts  or and I feel like this is as we talk about equity  
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and inclusion and you know feeling belonging and  you know there's a whole idea about like how much  
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do you have to explain oh yeah right so you I was  mindful of the things that you explained but also  
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mindful of the things that you did not explain and  the things that I didn't get enough time to Google   before I came here to like aaho but um what what  did again in terms of thinking about your process  
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like how do you think about what to explain for  folks in the course of your writing and what do  
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you think like gole well this gets to the earlier  question that you had about the white gays right  
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like I think in the past um where people would  g a z yeah those gays too uh the gays um you  
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know where you would have to uh particularly write  stories taking in account what we used to call the  
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ga the general audience in America but we don't  really have that anymore like my day job is I I do   TV and film right and so I often talks about how  like you know when I was a kid you needed about 30  
21:43
million viewers for a show to stay on the air by  the time I broke into TV that number had fallen to  
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about 8 to 12 million but now you only need about  three or four million viewers and when you're   looking at numbers like that you can actually  write something directly to an Asian-American  
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audience and have a really good shot at getting  renewed you don't need to reach 30 million and  
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because of that you know not just for small  communities like the Asian-American communities   but for African-American communities gay lesbian  communities you see a lot more products right that  
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are geared towards us where you don't have to do  the translation and so that actually applies like   when I was writing the book when I initially was  starting writing like I would think about like  
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the lines of dialogue right and I actually would  write them out in Chinese but then I would put   them in parentheses right and then um I was in one  of these writing groups and one of the guys he was  
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a a professional translator and he actually said  oh we don't do that anymore right like we don't  
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put that in because it takes the readers out and  so you have to write that sentence in a way that  
22:40
that the reader can pick it up from Context right  and so that's the way the book is written I don't   translate because they don't do that anymore and  they also don't italicize anymore right because in  
22:49
the past they would italicize and say oh this is  a foreign word but now they don't do that anymore   because you know I mean they just assume that  it's all one language this is the voice that I  
22:58
heard as the writer right and so why do I have to  take these pauses to explain to somebody else and  
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so that is something that I had to uh learn you  know because I I think that was just my default I   was like oh I need to translate so that everybody  understands but then people are saying no let the  
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reader come to you you know you don't necessarily  have to to go where they're at so great so um I  
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do have other questions about the about the book  obviously but because you have such a rich story  
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Beyond what's in the Memoir right um and the the  the fun thing about a memoir is that you know how  
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it ends it ends with you sitting here but um and  I you know trying to remember I think I posted  
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this in social media I'm trying to remember how  we first met and I think it might have been the  
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20th anniversary of Vincent chin the hate crime  murder in Detroit I already explaining things  
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if you don't know the story you should Google it  but uh I don't remember whether that was actually  
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the first time we met um I was working um at uh I  was doing Asian-American civil rights at the time  
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and I was able to bring a flag that we had flown  over the capital to Detroit to present it to his  
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family his mother had just died um at the grave  site it's still one of the most kind of Moment  
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Like historical moments for me but what you did  a whole documentary about the legacy of Vincent  
24:33
chin um kind of what are your thoughts about and  we're we're just celebrating an anniversary this  
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year right are we oh last year yeah last year so  um you talked a little bit about Vincent chin in  
24:46
the book um kind of what do you think about his  legacy and and what thumb prints of his are in  
24:55
the book or in are in your writing in general  well I mean it definitely had an influence on   me uh how many people here know the Vincent  chin story do most most people know it okay  
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um oh great so I won't so um Vincent chin he was  a close family friend my uncle was his best man  
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and so this was obviously a story it's a horrific  hate crime uh murder that happened in Detroit for   those who don't know um and so uh he was out  celebrating his upcoming wedding and he went  
25:19
to the strip club and he got you know these two  white Auto Workers bashed in his head right and   so he was in the hospital the next uh by the next  morning we found out and uh you know if you're a  
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little kid you're you're obviously going to be  interested if you know somebody that's in the   hospital right fighting for their life and so that  I was I was checking all the newspapers and I was  
25:40
watching all the TV news trying to find out how  are they're going to report about this story but   nobody wrote about it it it literally took the  media 12 days before they covered the story by  
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that time he was in the hospital and he died after  4 days his wedding had been canceled all this   stuff had happened right and and then finally one  story appeared and then it took another 10 months  
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before another story appeared and all the while  the media is constantly writing all these stories   about the white Auto Workers and how difficult  they were having how many you know how they were  
26:08
struggling in life and it just really made me  think like well well why isn't anybody telling  
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our story and that's there's a story in here where  uh I I lug the typewriter into the dining room to  
26:19
start writing letters to the editor you know what  typewriters are people here yeah uh so uh this is  
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a big one right and I had to like lug it in and  so I write these letters to the editor and none of   them ever got published but you know that's how I  started getting into this idea of writing you know  
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I mean before that I literally thought I was going  to be a Chinese waiter for the rest of my life you   know so I go from waiter to writer you know what  I mean but uh yeah because it was a great Chinese  
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restaurant and I really loved being there but  then after seeing this idea that you know who's   going to tell our stories I felt like well okay  well then I I'm going to try to do that and so  
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it's did have a profound impact on my life there  is literally one keystroke away from waiter and  
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writer I know wow that'll be the cover of my next  book from waiter from waiter to writer but I also  
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jokingly say that I feel like even though I don't  work in a Chinese restaurant I'm still a Chinese   waiter because I live my life trying to please  people like always like thinking like oh what do  
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you need do you need help you know what I mean and  so I feel like I'm at my core I'm still a Chinese   waiter even though I write no no I uh I think  that's I I mean it also comes back to literally  
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the first words that you right right for here or  to go am I here am I going like where where is  
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my journey at the risk of being a little kind of  tried about it yeah but um yeah no so uh I wanted  
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to well I also want to leave time for questions  and answers but uh I wanted to see if there was I  
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do I do have another at least one or two questions  here but uh I wanted to see if there was anything  
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else you wanted to read or your about about my mom  is that okay all right this is for the moms in the  
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audience okay okay so this is uh um towards the  uh end of the book so basically so in the era that  
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I grew up as a gay man it was during the AIDS era  and um you know given the amount of uh death that  
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I'd already seen just living in you know working  in Detroit um I literally thought I'd be dead by  
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the age of 30 I'm I'm of that generation of gay  men where it's just like you know I don't have a   very life a long life ahead of me and so when it  came time to graduating high school and applying  
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to college I didn't want to go to college you know  because I thought like well I have maybe at best a  
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10 12 years left to live why would I spend four  years sitting in the classroom again but um you  
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know ultimately I I decided to apply to to college  because my mom really guilted me into going and uh  
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but I made a deal with her I said I'll apply to  one school you know and if I don't get in then   I'm not going to college and she said okay fine  but you're applying to Michigan so she made me  
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apply to Michigan and I applied to Michigan and I  got got in um you because I had good records and   stuff like that I did cool stuff in high school  like as I I was on the Wheel of Fortune in high  
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school I did all this other cool stuff so yeah so  I I got into Michigan um so but when I got into  
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Michigan I still wasn't sure what I was going to  do um so because I had rationalized okay I'll go   to college because what's four years of my life  given a woman who's given up her whole life for  
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me right so that was my decision and so I went to  college not knowing what I was going to do um and  
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then I eventually stumbled into the writing  program there and so I would like to read a   story of that you know uh partly because it's a a  tribute to my mom too okay so this is towards the  
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end after I just got into the creative writing  program at U ofm being a creative writing major  
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made me the literary expert at chongs that was  inevitable as my dad asked every customer have you  
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met our number three he's the writer in the family  every time he mentioned my program the number you  
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were son number three I was son number three yes  yes that's how they called me oh he's number three  
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uh every time he mentioned my program the number  of students accepted got smaller and smaller at   some point I expect him to say I was the only  one allowed on campus to even own a pen one  
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week one of our waiters was out sick my younger  siblings were busy with their weekend activities   so I was the one to call in to help I jumped at  the chance to have some home-cooked meals for a  
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few days I was running around the dining room  refreshing our customer silver teapots when a   white middle-aged woman reached into her oversized  bag and pulled out a colorful hard cover have you  
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read this book it's so good the joylock club the  recently released novel that featured a bunch of  
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old sassy Chinese ladies who like to eat gossip  and play maang could easily have been in the back   of our kitchen every time I came in to help at the  restaurant another Diner usually older and female  
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cited the most memorable characters lines and  scenes they all wanted to know if I was working   on something similar I was writing poetry but  they didn't care to them all writers were the  
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same they would squeal you could be the next Amy  Tan my mom turned out to be the biggest Pusher she  
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rarely had a book in her hand but the success of  the Joy Luck Club convinced her that her life was   a bestseller too she followed me around the dining  room dropping stories from her childhood the same  
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ones I'd heard growing up but now she recounted  them as if she was auditioning for her own books   on tape one night after seeing how our waiters  sometimes pulled their tips together my mom shared  
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an oldie when the Communists marched South they  targeted my family my uncles and Grandpa were rich  
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in America so the Red Guard called us traitors my  stubborn grandma didn't want to leave her big home  
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so when my parents escaped to Hong Kong they left  me behind to keep her company the Communists hated  
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me in my pawpaw when I was four they made me watch  as they forced my grandma to CL the climb the old  
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banon tree in our Courtyard then they pushed her  off into a pile of broken glass for a visual my  
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mom rubbed her knees another time standing in the  water station she launched into her own nautical  
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tail when I was five my uncle in America paid  $25,000 in renman be a king's Ransom and people's  
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money to a local fisherman to ferry our remaining  family out of China after a long ride tucked under  
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the planks of his fishy fishing boat we came up  for air but we weren't in Hong Kong the Traer had  
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turned us into the authorities in jail I had to  sing Communist party songs to earn extra rice for  
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me and my grandma another chapter came as we stood  beneath a painting of the Chinese Countryside when  
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my papa and I were freed from jail we found that  the officials had given away our home to peasants  
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we were forced to live several Villages away in  a dirt Hut with three other families whenever we   went out for a p of water my Grandma had to bend  low to keep her head below the soldiers once again  
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she gave me a demonstration this time bowing  her head granted my mom's epic Saga interested  
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me who wouldn't be intrigued by Tales of prison  cells guns and stolen ransoms even the parts of  
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her about her mundane life in Hong Kong after she  was reunited with her parents and siblings were   amusing but these were her stories not mine she  had to tell them not me I was in school to find  
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my own voice I sat and listened but that was as  far as it would go toward the end of the summer  
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as I was at the back table sipping my red pop pop  for the midwesterners here yeah stockpiling poems  
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for the upcoming semester my mom sat down before I  could say anything she started talking I was a top  
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student in Hong Kong when Pepsi came to town they  held a big contest for students to draw a picture   of their own School mine was the best of Sacred  Heart I w six cases there were so many bottles  
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I had to give some to the nuns I threw down my  Parker Pen the one I treated myself after getting  
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into the program yes and they kept burping all  day it was so funny you've told me that story  
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over and over and I don't even like Pepsi I  prefer Coke my mom's shoulder shriveled the  
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shine faded from her Rosy Cheeks you don't want  to hear my story I tensed up I do but I'm behind  
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on my own stuff between working at Drakes I don't  know people from an aror Dres uh the journal and  
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saving the world my schedule was packed on top of  that my workshops in the fall were Advanced still  
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insecure about my place in the program I put  pressure on myself to create more interesting   writing by staying up late and scribbling in my  notebook every detail of my life but no matter  
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how hard I tried working harder couldn't produce  a better poem my mom lifted herself off her seat  
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the glint in her eyes orphaned me her 42 years  of life flashed before my eyes she'd gone from  
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Guang Joo to Hong Kong to Detroit and spent  the past two decades raising her six children   in a hostile foreign land she tried to prove her  life had worth that it hadn't gone unnoticed and  
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here I was the ungrateful son writing it off her  lips quivered in a soft murmur I hastily picked  
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up my pen backtracking go ahead mom I'll write  it down this time my mom bowed her head and as  
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if I as if I were one of the soldiers holding a  gun to her Temple ordering her to sing you go on  
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not you do your own thing I reached reached out  my hand but by then she had disappeared through   the black swinging door leaving only the rattling  from the kitchen the clanging walks and rumbling  
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dishwasher I sat there upset at myself being so  inconsiderate everything I had done in the past  
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three years had been for her but it seemed as  though I had failed the final test my education   wasn't just to help me get a better life it was  for my whole family we were a team we were the  
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eight Immortals how could I let them down I needed  to make things right but I knew that like most  
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disappointments in our house apology were never  spoken only Deeds would bring about reconciliation  
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so that's my mom's story so she finally did get  me to write her stories so they're just embedded  
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in this book so I always like to read that  because it's like you it's for my mom so yeah thanks that whole Reading Is So Meta and ironic  and like you you say writing her off but you're  
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literally writing her in yeah yeah right and so  you're not telling her story but you are in fact  
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not telling her story by telling her story so  uh yeah so um it brings me to the question of  
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um there are obviously other characters in the  book your family the the other the eight um and  
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what was your process of talking to them about  writing your book and oh I didn't no they they  
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haven't read it yet although I think they have  now because they they they posted up pictures   saying they received the book uh like you know  on Tuesday but I haven't heard from them since  
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so I'm I'm assuming you're very busy you're on  a book tour I'm very busy yeah yeah um but you  
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know I mean the one person I did talk to was my  mom I talk to her quite frequently like two or   three times a week just uh going over details with  her and things like that and so are you going to  
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Detroit I will be yeah we have a whole series of  events November 8th through the 13th uh the people  
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in Detroit have really embraced the book um uh the  Detroit Historical Museum um organized an exhibit  
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to go coincide with my book launch I was supposed  to do a big event at the world headquarters of   Ford but they're on strike right now so they froze  all their money for discretionary stuff like this  
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um but the Detroit Free Press the news have all  uh done pieces Metro Times uh Detroit public  
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television uh did a piece on me um what else just  like and obviously I'm going back to U ofm uh got  
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a big reading there at the rackam Auditorium so  that'll be a big reading uh yeah so the people in  
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Detroit are really excited I think they're more  excited about the egg rolls coming back to town   but I have to tell them like sorry it's just a  book yeah yeah so great um so speaking of egg  
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rolls we are kind of on the border of Chinatown  here in DC um DC's Chinatown size or what have  
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you has its own unique history you live if memory  serves not too far from LA's Chinatown in the in  
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another ethnic Enclave of Little Tokyo um at  the risk of showing how much i' how long we've  
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known each other um but you've seen Detroit's  Chinatown you've seen um LA's Chinatown kind of  
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especially in this moment like what do you what  are your thoughts because you know obviously at  
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at our work at moia UH China town here the work  that we do with the 1882 foundation with all the  
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nonprofits that we fund and support here all the  businesses obviously the the Chinese restaurants  
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that are still here um what are your thoughts  about chinatowns across the country and go uh  
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well I mean I can only speak for the one that  I grew up in in Detroit I mean it was it was a   really small Chinatown there were like six uh  Chinese restaurants and one of them was Indian  
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you know what I mean that's how small we were uh  yeah but and it was a really tough part of town it  
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was like the red light district but I did feel  really s safe there because there was this one  
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street corner that my parents said you can't go  one block this way and you can't go one black and   we kind of had our whole world there you know and  so that was it was a nice comforting place for me  
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to grow up even amidst you know being in what was  noted as the worst neighborhood in Detroit so um  
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yeah I only have uh fond memories um in terms  of uh uh gentrification and things like that I  
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I um you know I I try to be even cute about this  so so my family had this restaurant from 1940 to  
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2000 and after we closed down um the building has  uh remained empty for 20 years right we were the  
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last restaurant in Chinatown so you know after  that it was pretty much dead um and so uh that  
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place is the building has remained empty for 20  years but finally someone this past year bought  
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the building and they actually re they tracked  me down in LA and asked me if I would reopen the  
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restaurant that's how popular the restaurant was  like people have this really long memory of like   please reopen this restaurant um and so I think  there was like a 5% of me that thought like ah  
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could I do this like could I go back you know uh  and and reopen this restaurant uh but no I there  
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just too much going on and I couldn't um but then  like a couple months later I heard through the   grave find that they actually did find a different  restaurant and part of me was sad because like I  
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would have wanted our family to go back into that  space and and and help the city revive too because  
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there's a lot happening in Detroit right now and  I want to be part of that too uh but then you know  
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at the end of the day I just sort of had to let  it go and say like well all I could do is hope  
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for the best for whatever family moves in next  and hope that that 3177 Cass Avenue provides them  
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with as much love and and success and prosperity  as it provided for my family um and so I I can't  
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be too nostalgic about it I can't let Nostalgia  hold back progress I think so yeah it's a tough  
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position to have you know so no thank you uh so  uh I could talk to you all night but uh I wanted  
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to see if folks had questions I see David with a  microphone ready to are there questions that folks
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have David there's one in the front uh she  doesn't look like she's committed to asking a  
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question I'll say while we wait um Curtis's movie  Vincent who is in on our online movie collection  
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so if you don't have a library card you can watch  Vincent who with your library card on on canopy so   uh really glad to have that connection as part  of our library collection as well oh thank you
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yeah what did your mom think of the book I don't  know yet uh she is on the family group chat saying  
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good luck have fun but that's all uh and and but  I have a bunch of uh readings in the Bay Area and  
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she's going to be there so uh is that where she  is now yeah she's in the Bay Area yeah uh after  
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my dad passed away um you know uh yeah we had to  move her out there um I really don't know I I bet  
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you it's going to be a lot of mixed emotions for  her do you know what I mean I'm she's very proud  
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huh but I'm sure she's very proud yeah yeah  no she'll she'll also want the spotlight too  
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she's going to be like yeah that's my son you  know she'll she'll she'll get in front of the   camera she has no problem with that but um yeah  she's had a really difficult life and I I I I do  
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want to make her happy and I hope the book brings  her Joy um and vindicates a lot of stuff because  
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she has I think she's always just felt like you  know she was uh never had a really chance to live  
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her own life yeah so we have a question over here  and there's one in the back as well but go ahead  
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okay I'll hand it off to you when I finish but  um you mentioned Drakes and that that made me  
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very excited because I grew up going there when  I was younger um before it closed um but I was  
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wondering when you were in an arbor what were  your favorite restaurants or where else did  
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you go uh well I do reference a lot because the  whole the whole third section is but I I mean so  
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I Nam drop a few places like Cottage in and stuff  like that but um I was also one of those kids at   worked full-time and then went to school at night  so I didn't have a very active social life like  
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I didn't you know what I mean uh I didn't and I  regret that sometimes because I I sometimes you  
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know because I had to pay for college myself  and I didn't want to leave with any debt I I   do I do if I do have a regret in life is that  I maybe didn't take advantage of more things  
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in college you know like study abroad programs or  or things like that I was just so focused on just  
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getting out of an arbor you know what I mean  get my degree and go you know so okay oh there  
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is one there's a pivotal scene in here so you  have to wait why is there one that you want to
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Fe name the
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restaurant okay okay okay okay okay well when  you get if you if you buy the book and you read  
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it there is a okay there's a there's a there is a  mo there's a pivotal moment you know uh in my life  
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that's a decision is made in a Chinese restaurant  it just doesn't have to be our Chinese restaurant   yeah so okay what's your question hello niow hi  Yan I don't speak Chinese I know but anyway do  
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you think the um all the bad neighborhoods out  there even in China and everybody thinks New   York's bad but do you think China could be just as  tough uh I'm sorry repeat the question well a lot  
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of people read the Bible um and there's a lot of  bad times in the world and uhuh do you know God's  
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name not talking about Jehovah we're not talking  about religion sir all right thank you all right  
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oh was that a I think I know that just thank you  okay well I I think I have a a reference of what  
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he's talking about so like I didn't read much as  a kid because I grew up in a Chinese restaurant   um you know the only always joke that there  were only two types of books that we had at  
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the restaurant all left behind by our customers  one were harleyquinn romances right because we  
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had a lot of single women would come read the  other one was the Bible you know and I always   say like you know as a gay uh Buddhist I had zero  interest in either book so that's why I didn't  
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read much as a kid so I think that's the answer to  his question right okay sorry Patrice hey Curtis  
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um thank you so much for coming I love all the  different identities that you shared tonight so  
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producer author you know your coming out story  there's just so many different identities what  
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do you want your readers to take away from your  Memoir so um you know when you write when you sell  
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a book I don't know how many people are are would  like to sell their own Memoir or non-fiction book   but what you do is you have to uh write this  really long marketing program uh uh proposal  
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and I said to like I said for the people of color  I'm going to talk about racism for the gay people  
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I'm going to talk about the coming up process for  the Jewish people I'm going to talk about Chinese   food and if I can hit all three audiences then I  think I'll have a bestseller so uh but in terms of  
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what I want like if if I had to do like a pie in  the sky uh hope um you know you know all writers  
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want to have impact right like we want our books  to matter and for me I feel like we live in this   really divided country right now where we have  these little silos where we don't talk to each  
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other but Chinese restaurants are actually one  of those few places where you can walk in and   meet someone you know from a different background  racial religious sexual orientation whatever like  
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sitting at the table right next to you and if  you took the time maybe even just have a start   of a small conversation like what are you eating  like maybe it's those small moments that will  
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maybe bring our country back together again like  finding spaces where we can uh sit down literally  
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you know together um because I you know I really  don't like the the the divide that we have in our  
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country right now I really but but I also don't  want to skirt some of the issues that are erating  
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some of this tension and so um I jokingly said  to my agent it's it's sort of like you know uh  
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come for the egg roll but stay for the talk on  racism you know and that's what I want I want us   to be able to have these serious talks about  these issues but I don't want them to drive  
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a wedge I want us to be at the end of the day  like family used to do right like you can have  
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these arguments and at the end of the day you  get up in the table and you know you're going   to see these people again you know what I mean  so yeah that's what I would like to Hope um that  
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maybe the book can help start a conversation you  know I don't know maybe it's too lofty but yeah  
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that's my hope yeah one egg roll at a time one  egg roll at a time that would be my new phrase  
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solving World Peace one EG roll World Peace  one egg roll at a time yeah are there other
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questions oh yeah David's coming  can you pass can you pass this
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forward uh I was telling my child here the title  of your book and and she goes um because this  
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everything I learned I learned in a Chinese  restaurant she goes even okay she said even  
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algebra yeah yeah we learned so did you also learn  algebra oh yeah my mom my mom ran a school like  
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it was Kuman before there was Kuman like in that  back like you know yeah awesome I wasn't because  
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I I wasn't sure how to answer that question I  was like oh I I thought it was this was you know   hyperbole but literally you learned everything in  the rest restaur yeah yeah we did stuff like that  
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but that's not what the book is about I mean the  book is really about the soft skills you learned   because I actually think that those are probably  the most important things that you learn in life  
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um you know and people often ask me well what's  the first thing that you learned growing up giving   the title of your book everything I learned I  learned into Chinese ran I talk about this is  
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a lesson that I learned primarily from my dad but  also from my mom is um you know when you're a kid  
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you tell your kids don't talk to strangers right  my parents gave us the exact opposite instruction   they said talk to strangers and who they were  talking about were all the people sitting in our  
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dining room because my mom didn't graduate high  school my dad went to Community College for two   semesters they didn't necessarily know all the  opportunities that existed for us outside the  
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four walls of that Chinese restaurant but they  knew they had a dining room full of people that   actually had these opportunities I had this  knowledge and so whenever my dad would meet a  
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customer that he really clicked with or had an  interesting job whatever he call all six of us   kids to run over and we like barrage these poor  customers with questions of like what do you do  
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for a living how'd you get your job how much  money do you make you know and so uh yeah just  
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this idea of like you know not being afraid  of talking to people that are different from   you not being afraid of asking questions or even  asking for help I mean those are really important  
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things you know um to learn in life how to  be able to communicate with people who are  
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completely different and because our restaurant  really serviced all of Detroit right like during   the day it'd be a lot of uh you know white collar  workers from the downtown businesses or uh people  
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from Wayne State or from the med center that  was really close by but then at night it would   literally be The Pimps the prostitutes and the  drug dealers do you know what I mean and so as  
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a kid I saw all of Detroit you know and being  to be able to communicate with all of these  
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people at their level I think it's just some was  something that I grew up with and I feel like it's  
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I like to think of it's it's just I don't know  it's just it's nice to be able to do that to be   able to communicate with people you can't get that  kind of education at a school institution that's  
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for sure no not necessarily yeah because often  times you know we're so stratified right like   in these paths that we have in life you're sort  of tracked in with all the same people that have  
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very similar backgrounds to you but if you work  in Food Service I don't know anybody here who's   worked as a restaurant as a kid you are instantly  thrown in with people from different backgrounds  
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and you have to learn how to relate and listen  to them and understand them in a way you know  
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that that really forces you to see that the world  is really big at one time but also very small at  
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the same time too yeah I'm seeing some nods about  restaurant workers uh do we have time maybe one or  
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two more questions I see yeah how many people are  here from Detroit um okay that's your question no  
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so and Kurtis knows what I'm going to ask about do  you know about almond boneless chicken yeah okay  
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um Curtis can you tell the crowd about this dish  and how it's uniquely Detroit and okay and you  
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know how it was instrumental in your family's  restaurant okay did does anybody here know my  
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family's restaurant chongs or eaten there I don't  know if anybody has but it was in the center and   it was really popular for many generations it was  the Chinese restaurant like I like to think of it  
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that way and so my grandmother used to say that we  we were the inventors of this dish called almond   boneless chicken which you can find at pretty  much any Chinese restaurant in Detroit but it's  
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very hard to find in other places it's a really  basic dish right it's a white chicken meat uh a  
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fet uh battered and then deep fried uh and then  uh a brown gravy a soy sauce uh gravy and then  
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sprinkled with crushed almonds and maybe a little  um you know slices of pea pods uh and then served  
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with a bowl of white rice right it's just a really  really popular dish um and so uh I actually after  
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this book came out um America's Test Kitchen which  is a show asked me to do an episode for them uh  
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for their uh podcast yeah exploring that dish and  uh my grandmother's theory about whether or not  
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we invented it and I think I think what I came to  this conclusion after doing research like looking   at all these old menus because we have old menus  from the 30s from when we you know like and stuff  
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like that and uh I I think I pinpointed that at  least in the lore of Detroit that it's um actually  
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a marriage between a traditional Cantonese dish  called almond pressed duck which is like a breaded  
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uh you know duck and battered and and fried with  um you know the uh soul food right because what  
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happened the dish sort of came about in the'  60s what happened was that in the late 50s the   city of Detroit demolished both the Chinatown and  black bottom Paradise Valley which is where a lot  
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of the Black Culture was centered and because of  that both communities had to move into this area   called the ccor which is you know originally  like a lot of poor white people but now it was  
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all poor people of all colors but because of that  interaction between you know the poor blacks and  
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the poor Chinese people you sort of have this  marriage that created this dish called almond   boneless chicken so that sort of came out of the'  60s you know and so yeah no we we were talking  
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about this earlier when you were on sporkful the  podcast and I thought that they had your recipe  
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on it in the show notes but maybe they didn't they  may have added it from the website because there   are other people that have it you know and um like  I said and I said to them it's just a theory I  
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know there's a million people that are going to  come out of the word workk and say [ __ ] like   you know but they said you can go with it because  it's just this idea of let's explore culture and  
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how conversations can happen and so said okay  if if I can be wrong you know that's why I'm  
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just covering myself just in case like people  like you know you know okay uh I'm I'm getting  
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the hook I I think we have time for one more  question guess you mentioned before that you're  
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you weren't much of a reader growing up so what  was the Catalyst that got you to be interested  
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in writing and become a writer well it was the  Vincent chin case that's when I first started   writing and then literally going off to college  um you know because I was working full-time uh  
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you could take creative writing classes at night  and they seem like easyas so I was like okay I'll  
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get it easy a you know cuz you didn't have to  do much right you didn't have to read much you   just write a few poems and then you can graduate  so uh yeah uh but I but I always did enjoy words  
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I mean like in the sense that because when you're  sitting in a Chinese restaurant as a kid there's   not much to do right so you end up like reading  the newspapers over and over you know and you do  
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the word puzzles and all that kind of stuff so  I did like Words individually but I never read  
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books per se um I did read the newspaper you know  because that was around uh but the idea of being  
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a writer um and being a professional writer that  didn't happen until I got to Michigan you know um  
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and so uh that is something I am thankful for I  mean in the sense that the college did you know  
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set me on this path to being a writer and so um  yeah I've had a really great career I feel very  
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blessed um you know to have the experiences I've  had in life um um you know uh yeah so I don't know  
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what to say great no well first of all thank you  for coming um you know Washington DC whenever we  
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bring folks here we always talk about National  politics and the White House and what's going   on down there but what I loved about tonight's  conversation was that it was so local yeah I  
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mean it didn't even have to be about our Chinatown  right just the fact that that there are cities out  
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there that despite whatever might be happening  on Capitol Hill or whatever there are vibrant  
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neighborhoods in chinatowns whether in Detroit or  LA or DC uh so I just really wanted to thank you  
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for reminding us of all that okay yeah yeah and  that Chinatown is here the restaurants are going  
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to be open when we get out of here um but I do  want uh well and and we'll have you sign books  
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obviously but I just wanted to see uh again thank  you can we give give him a round of applause yeah  
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uh thank you so much um and so as I mentioned  earlier I am this is the start of my tour uh  
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after this I am literally on the road straight  until November 20th except for three nights when  
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I'm back in LA but also doing readings there so  I'll be everywhere from Seattle to Miami to Boston  
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so please check out my website hopefully you can  you know have friends or family who can join me on
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