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Vine Deloria, Jr., leading Native American scholar and author of the best-selling God is Red, addresses the conflict between mainstream scientific theory about our world and the ancestral worldview of Native Americans. Claiming that science has created a largely fictional scenario for American Indians in prehistoric North America, Deloria offers an alternative view of the continent's history as seen through the eyes and memories of Native Americans. Further, he warns future generations of scientists not to repeat the ethnocentric omissions and fallacies of the past by dismissing Native oral tradition as mere legends.


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"This is Vine Deloria at his very best--challenging, taunting, acerbic and powerful." --Alvin M. Josephy, Jr., author of Now That the Buffalo's Gone

"This is Vine Deloria's best book yet... Red Earth, White Lies shoots down a whole herd of sacred cows--from Charles Darwin's cow to Samuel Eliot Morison's bull." --Leslie Marmon Silko, author of Ceremony

"Vine Deloria, Jr., started the whole modern American Indian renaissance... Now, in Red Earth, White Lies, he is lambasting scholars and scientists for filling our heads with nonsense while they ignore the traditional knowledge of native tribes. Bound to be controversial, bound to start readers rethinking old concepts." --Dee Brown, author of Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
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In this latest work by the prominent historian, Deloria turns his audacious intellect and fiery indignation to an examination of modern science as it relates to Native American oral history and exposes the myth of scientific fact, defending Indian mythology as the more truthful account of the history of the earth. Deloria grew up in South Dakota, in a small border town on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. There he was in a position to absorb the culture and traditions of Western Europeans, as well as of the native Sioux people. Much of the formal education he received about science, including how the earth and its people had formed and developed over time, came from the white, Western world; he and his fellow students accepted it as gospel, even though this information often contradicted the ancient teachings of the Native American peoples. As an adult, though, Deloria saw how some of these scientific "facts", once readily accepted as the truth, now began to run against common sense as well as the teachings of his people. For example, the question of why certain peoples had lighter or darker skins posed an especially thorny problem - one that mainstream journals and books failed to answer in a way that was satisfactory to this budding skeptic. When he began to reexamine other previously irrefutable theories - of the earth's creation, of the evolution of people, of the acceptance of the notion that the Indians themselves had been responsible for slaughtering and wiping out certain large animals from their habitat over time - he also began to reconsider the value of myth and religion in an explanation of the world's history and, in the process, to document and record traditionalknowledge of Indian tribes as offered by the tribal elders.

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Vine Deloria Jr. is a leading Native American scholar whose research writings, and teaching have encompassed history, law, religious studies, and political science. He is the former executive director of the National Congress of American Indians. Named by Time magazine as one of the eleven greatest religious thinkers of the twentieth century, he is the author of numerous acclaimed books, including God is Red, Custer Died for Your Sins, Power and Place, and Red Earth, White Lies. Mr. Deloria lives in Golden, Colorado.
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Josue Ayuso

5.0 out of 5 stars Challenging the (academic) status quoReviewed in Germany on 7 November 2025
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Deloria at his finest. Genuine questions about scientific dogmas are raised. Widely criticised, including in an academic journal (American Literary History, 1998, with Deloria's reply), he unapologetically challenges the status quo.

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montalbaran

5.0 out of 5 stars Great boomReviewed in Spain on 13 June 2019
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Great book

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E. Hansen

5.0 out of 5 stars Ice Age PoliticsReviewed in the United States on 30 September 2009
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The scholarly and political content of Red Earth, White Lies is difficult to parse because 'so called' scientific theory has been detrimentally applied by politicians to the administration of Indian affairs through U.S. government bureaucracy. The attrocities perpetrated against many tribal groups, retold in disturbing detail by Dee Brown's book, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West
would be enough to choke the heart with bitterness, were you or I descended from any one of the peoples so maliciously misused. But Vine DeLoria, scholar and educator that he is, draws us towards historical and scientific evidence that is both ignored and overlooked by scientific and religious ivory towers. (academicians) Though citing scientific evidence, he doesn't argue scientific method, but as a lawyer, argues that the presentation and preservation of evidence is flawed with bias.
In the wisdom of the elders of his people he has the audacity to suggest that the geological record, the fossil record and the political track record have all been shamefully and deliberately, dishonestly reported.

If you purchase this book, I recommend first reading the chapter on Living Fossils (It's the final chapter of the book, enigmatically titled: "At The Beginning") and then going back and studying the political fiasco and scientific (un) documentation of the B.S. (Bering Strait) migration theory. It'll prime your instincts to appreciate DeLoria's tone of sarcasm as he discusses the political science of inter-tribal relations with the government agencies. You should also sense that this sarcasm is supplanting an otherwise very justifiable anger. Even when academicians make a great and useful discovery, it vanishes under the radar where it won't be likely to threaten the well established hierarchical mythology. And there have been congressional representatives past and present, who discussed the interests of American Indians in their districts as though they all should be invited to "go back to China."

Our relationship to our fellow creatures of the world around us is fundamentally different, as told by the traditions of the Elders. And it's some ways amusing to see DeLoria bemoan the lack of cooperation between diverse tribes when engaged in government negotiations. Some of these tribes will not forget their displacement by the Sioux, who were invading from the north. This is a good read to self-critique your own world view, and the manner in which it affects your treatment of others. Foremost, DeLoria challenges the assumption that we are all immigrants to this land.

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Aivars Grindulis

5.0 out of 5 stars Five StarsReviewed in the United Kingdom on 9 May 2015
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all good

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A Bhoy in Green.

3.0 out of 5 stars OK book.Reviewed in Japan on 20 February 2010
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This book was fairly well written, but a lot of personal opinion was put in, which is fine, but for this topic, more scientific fact would be good. There were some fine points made about the invalidity of carbon dating, very useful.
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Red Earth, White Lies: Native Americans and the Myth of Scientific Fact

Vine Deloria, Jr., leading Native American scholar and author of the best-selling God is Red , addresses the conflict between mainstream scientific theory about our world and the ancestral worldview of Native Americans. Claiming that science has created a largely fictional scenario for American Indians in prehistoric North America, Deloria offers an alternative view of the continent's history as seen through the eyes and memories of Native Americans. Further, he warns future generations of scientists not to repeat the ethnocentric omissions and fallacies of the past by dismissing Native oral tradition as mere legends.

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Vine Victor Deloria, Jr. was an American Indian author, theologian, historian, and activist. He was widely known for his book Custer Died for Your Sins: An Indian Manifesto (1969), which helped generate national attention to Native American issues in the same year as the Alcatraz-Red Power Movement. From 1964–1967, he had served as executive director of the National Congress of American Indians, increasing tribal membership from 19 to 156. Beginning in 1977, he was a board member of the National Museum of the American Indian, which now has buildings in both New York City and Washington, DC.

Deloria began his academic career in 1970 at Western Washington State College at Bellingham, Washington. He became Professor of Political Science at the University of Arizona (1978–1990), where he established the first master's degree program in American Indian Studies in the United States. After ten years at the University of Colorado, Boulder, he returned to Arizona and taught at the School of Law.


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10 reviews
September 8, 2014
Structurally well-written but rife with bitterness (understandable), conspiracy theories, wishful thinking, pseudoscience, red herrings, ad hominem attacks and logical fallacies.

I approached this book hoping to learn about another culture's thinking and traditions but found little but an attempt to substitute mythology as fact for reasoned, evidence-based investigation.

When the author gloated that the impact of comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 on Jupiter was vindication for Immanuel Velikovsky's unfounded and speculative "Worlds in Collision", I immediately saw where this tome was headed. From this point on in the book, I thought I was on some evangelical Christian web site reading refutations of evolution, the effect was similar.

Academia and the science community are populated with imperfect humans but DeLoria's massive conspiracy theories regarding the suppression of Native American cosmology sounds like an ideological twin to the "911 Truther" crowd. Or the idiotic mental primitives of Ayn Rand idolaters.

No doubt some academics do/did approach archaeology with a white, Western European Christian bias, bent on vindicating their own biases and cultural superiority. But the massive conspiracy theory here drips with bitterness and substitutes an equally inane theory of its own.

I rarely do not finish books, but after 2/3's of the book refuting cosmology, physics, chemistry, astronomy, geology, paleontology, archaeology and physical evidence, I could not go on. I got whatever message the author intended.

It is curious that the book does not mention genetics at all, the word does not appear in the index at all. Genetic research at the time this book was written still had enough evidence to trace groups of people to their roots. Native Americans today resist genetic testing because it might refute their assertion that they originated on "Turtle island". Sorry, we white Europeans had to get over our Biblical mythology, time for the rest of you to do the same. Genetics these days could render this book as useless, boring and ridiculous.

Utilizing the same arguments as Young Earth Creationists and other religious apologists, this book refutes all attempts at using evidence-based research and substitutes the author's desires and cultural myths without a shred of evidence except "the elders told us", therefore it must be true.

Most myth contains some remnant of actual events but not this much. Great book if you want to substitute indigenous tribes cultural myths for science and slap the "White European Man" in the face. He raises valid concerns about biases in anthropology but then throws out the entire scientific edifice as the solution. You may as well read books from the creationist Discovery Institute or log on to Young Earth Creationist web sites and get the same effect as this sadly useless tract.
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October 30, 2021
Read anything lately that challenges accepted norms?

The late Mr. Deloria begins with the fairly modest goal of promoting Native American wisdom as worthy of serious historic and scientific consideration, but in getting there he comes out swinging against such sacred cows as the Bering Strait crossing, overkill theory, and the La Brea tar pits, not to mention pillars like the ice age, radiocarbon dating, evolution, academia, and science itself.

Neither a geologist nor biologist, Deloria doesn't bury you in the data. He's more like a Richard Feynman, or a thoughtful sage from a Frank Capra movie: he doesn't know "the truth," but with folksy common sense, he pokes any number of holes in beliefs most would consider settled science.

I don't know how the various fields have addressed his arguments over the last quarter century, but living two blocks from the La Brea tar pits, I'd say my neighbors got some 'splainin' to do.
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January 10, 2011
Want to be coaxed into some genuine outside-the-box thinking? Deloria very casually picks apart several fundamentals of modern western science (evolution, geology, carbon dating, migration and glacial theories) that most of us tend to take as a matter of faith, despite serious gaps and unanswered questions. Having discredited these, he proceeds to consider numerous Indian oral traditions and stories as possible remembered explanations of ancient events. Obviously these are worth exploring, but Deloria points out that science can't seem to get its collective head around doing so -- even after science has independently verified that an event mentioned in some old story really did occur. There are plenty of juicy examples from all over the place, but my favorite is the ancient city of Troy. For centuries European science thought it to be merely an ancient story. Along came Heinrich Schliemann in the mid-1800s, discovering the actual site in modern Turkey. Of course this was not in the Americas, but it is a popular, powerful example of the fragility of the fundamentals. Deloria also discusses how these fundamentals contribute very subtly to a view of Indians as barbarians or somehow less human.

The book's absolutely profound -- no need to agree with any bit of it to recognize that. Read slow and listen to what the man's saying, then think about it yourself.
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December 6, 2010
I picked this up while with some friends and thought "Oh dear, more ammo for everyone who thinks I'm a crazy leftist." Well, that was true. Listen, there's some things in here that I'm not sure are so accurate. But academic orthodoxy is always reluctant to question itself, and power structures impose meanings and explanations on the people they oppress which are often absurdly and patently false. It's been this way for far too long, and it's good to question and poke fun at the vain and self-satisfied establishment. Medicine, which use to spit all over the use of herbs as they poisoned their patients with mercury, now scours the world to patent traditional indigenous medicines and charge the same people exorbitant rates to use their own plants. Deloria does not dwell on this as much, but my point is that we need to be questioning power structures and the explanations they hand down. This book does, and I liked it quite a bit.
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January 14, 2014
This book should be on every college reading list, but it won't be, as it offers a new and critical perspective on institutionalized knowledge. Even if when you read it you don't subscribe to Deloria's well-researched and clear-cut theories (which when presented are pretty hard to argue with), you will still come away with something worthwhile. And that's a new way of seeing. Deloria asks us all to suspend group thought and use our minds, all of our brain capacity, to reason out hypotheses, theories, scientific method. He dares us to remove "cultural blinders" and step outside the realm of institutionalized thinking, to stop taking for end-all, be-all gospel any and all information presented to us by the "experts in the field" simply because we are told they are such. This is a treatise on critical thinking, a call to arms to identify and eradicate the persistence of incestuous interpretation of "facts". Mandatory reading for ALL if we as a people would like to progress and evolve beyond our current boundaries. Another good read: Of Bakelite, bicycles and bulbs. Speaks to our propensity of "retroactive distortion" when we look to interpret the past and it's inventions. Describes how our current modern outlook, and the fact that we already have a spoiler-alert knowledge of the product finally invented, prevents us from seeing the benefits of the process and therefore inhibits our current inventive minds.
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February 26, 2016
The Bering Strait Theory is nonsense, argues Deloria. Indians did not migrate across a land bridge from Eurasia to the Americas during the Ice Age, as Western archeologists claim. Deloria exposes the flaws of this popular migration theory and shows that it does not even stand up on its own scientific terms. Deloria also blasts the arrogance of Western anthropologists who purport to know more about the origins of American Indians than the Indians themselves. The author points out that not one myth, legend, story or account exists within American Indian folklore to corroborate the Bering Strait theory. This book is a critique of Western scientific thought as it relates to American Indians. Deloria examines the influence of Christian ideology on Western science and the Eurocentrism it promotes while pretending to be objective. He also questions the theory of evolution, carbon dating and other paragons of Western science.
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December 8, 2017
Vine Deloria pulls the curtain on Western epistemology, revealing science's foolish perpetuation of unquestioned philosophical mishaps (à la Descartes and friends) all the way to its current transmission of knowledge, i.e., the security of tenure amongst academics.

From this, he also fleshes out a brilliant exposé of science's premises which allow the marginalization (and genocide) of Indigenous peoples and voices.

The majority of the book is concrete "case studies" questioning scientific dogma from an American Indian perspective, however, the real goods lie in the first three chapters, where Deloria makes his profound theoretical claims challenging the fundamental tenents of Western epistemology.
5 reviews
March 14, 2010
Pointed out how dominant eurocentric mythologies bolster supreme truth over the indigenous narrative despite that fact that many were haphazardly put together as political fillers to a swiss-cheese plot (particularly baring straight theory)
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July 30, 2011
When Dr. Deloria, Jr. was alive I had the privilege of speaking with him on many occasions about his book Custer Died for Our Sins. When I was half-way through this text I didn't need to call him anymore, but I did just to commend him for his work.
Opinionated? I suppose he had to be in order to protect and defend what little is left of Indian culture, and Indian land.
He was a remarkable man who left his legacy in these outstanding pages.


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